New here and new to pools! Help?!

Jhowe3125

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Homer, NY
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Liquid Chlorine
Hello everyone!!
My name is Jessica and I am from Upstate NY. We purchased our first home in December and it came with an in ground pool measuring 16x32 with a 4x7 step. The pool came with a Hayward Sand Filter S244T model. We don’t know much about the unit, just from what we have researched.
I recently came across this forum while I have became very frustrated over the last week and a half at attempting to clear our pool. Here is what we have done so far...
May 21st was the 1st day of opening- added 5 gallons of chlorine and 10oz algicide. I cleaned debris off the bottom, but it was difficult to clean when I couldn’t see. We let the pool do it’s thing for a few days. I returned back to the pool store with another sample. They instructed us to use 3 bags of shock and calcium and to return in another couple days. We cleaned the bottom again, scrubbed, vacuumed and replaced the sand in the filter. Returned and explained that it still had aight green hue to it and I still could not see the bottom. Another 4 bags of shock and half a bottle of Algicide into the pool. At this point the pool had turned into a nice aqua green color to it. I could see the bottom of the shallow end and the beginning to the slope to the deep end. I went back again to the pool store and explained what it looked like. I was handed 2 bottles of flocculant and did as instructed. I had high hopes to wake to a blue pool and everything settled to the bottom. As you can already assume, I woke to a cloudy blue pool....

Can anyone give me any insight before I continue to break my bank of chemicals that seem to do no good. Do I have a bad filter? Do I have the wrong chemicals? Am I going insane??

the first picture is prior to adding the flocculant (aqua green). The 2nd is after the flocculant (18ish hours)
 

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Welcome Jessica.

The only thing many pool chemicals, specially the magic solutions recommended by most pool stores, will do is break you bank and do nothing good (or at least nothing good in the long term).

First things first.... Are you able to test your water on your own with an accurate and reliable tests. You should take a look at Test Kits Compared. What type of chlorine did you add? Not all chlorine is made equal and some will add other things that might even hurt your pool. You should check ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry to know more.

If you want to know what to expect from the TFPC method check How Clear is TFP Clear? Let's See (Pics Please).

BTW, add what you know about your pool to your signature. Check this: Create Your Signature - Further Reading

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Flocculant offers short-term solution but causes other long term problems. The methods espoused here at TFP are pretty basic: chlorine clears water, muriatic acid lowers Ph, baking soda/borax to raise Ph. That is about all you ever need to add to your pool.

Every year I open my pool it looks like your first picture. I follow the SLAM process to kill all algae, then I let my filter run 24/7 for a couple of weeks to clear the water. Throw in some vacuuming (dead algae is very fine and requires vacuuming to remove), and within a 7-10 day time period the water is crystal clear! Just for the record, this include the daily testing and LC addition as needed.

Floc is basically a glue. And while it will "clear" your water, it will gum up your filter and if you don't deal with why the water was cloudy, the cloudiness will return. It is better to test your water, know what you are dealing with, and then follow the TFP prescribed methods for dealing with the issue. Sometimes that will even require a drain and fill (depending on the issue like high stabilizer (CYA)).

Anyway, I found TFP 2 years ago and since then my pool has been trouble-free, low-cost, and I love my pool! (First year I had it hated it because I was constantly throwing magic potions into it without doing my own testing and proper treating.) Go to the Pool School link in the upper left and you will be so glad you found this place!
 
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Welcome to pool ownership!
First, get your own test kit and stay out of the pool store, as others have said. They exist only to take your money. The things you need can be bought at other places for less money.
Then find a good supply of liquid chlorine - WalMart, Lowe's, Home Depot, Ace Hardware, check places like Ollies or Menards (not sure what you have in NY) all of which usually carry 10% or 12.5% liquid chlorine. You can also use plain old, unscented bleach. Stay away from flocs, clarifiers, and any "magic" potions.
Oh and you'll also need a healthy supply of POP - Pool Owner Patience! Sand filters take the longest to clear pools so give it time.
Then after reading Pool School, follow the SLAM process but ask questions along the way. Lots of people here will be glad to help you.
 
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Welcome. It looks like you're on the right track.
As the others have mentioned... first step is to get yourself a good test kit (TF-100 or Taylor equivalent) this will save you a lot of money & aggravation in the long run.
One of the most essential things you need to do is not only monitor your current Chlorine level but, also when your Free Chlorine levels have stabilized (don't drop overnight).
You'll also find that it is easier for the forum members to assist you, when you can report your pool chemistry (FC, CC, TA, etc) with the members.
I would avoid any more flocc at this time as well.

Read through the Pool School. I'd run your pump (filtration) continuously until you get things set. (keep an eye on the pump pressure). Be sure to keep us informed on your progress.
Respectfully,
 
Unfortunately, if you've added floc, didn't vacuum to waste, and have a sand filter, you may need to change the sand again.

The good news is, once you get a recommended test kit (TF-100) and get down the basics of Pool School, you will never have to step foot in a pool store for chemicals again.

Initial advice is to order the kit (don't get scared by the price, it will save you money in the long run), and only add a jug of liquid chlorine per day until it arrives. Most places call it "shock" of some sort, ie. Super-shock, or Mega-shock. Once the kit arrives, run a set of tests and post the results. That pool will be cleared up in virtually no time with the help of the folks here.
 
Hi!

I am reading this forum like I have an exam tomorrow morning!

My current situation is that I added Floc yesterday morning and my pool is now more cloudy but now blue instead of aqua green. The pool has been turned off and sitting idle since adding, per the instructions. So my question is do I just turn the pool back on and let all that go into the filter? Nothing has settled to where I can vacuum it up... I have read some horrible stories where it clogs up the sand. Its not the worst things to replace, but we just replaced the sand last week. Do I let the pool run now for a couple days before adding anything? I have been relying on my local pool store for my levels. I only have a test that measures chlorine and alkalinity. Its suppose to be in the 90's this week and was hoping we would be able to swim... I'm starting to think that's a dream at this point.
 
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Hi!

I am reading this forum like I have an exam tomorrow morning!

My current situation is that I added Floc yesterday morning and my pool is now more cloudy but now blue instead of aqua green. The pool has been turned off and sitting idle since adding, per the instructions. So my question is do I just turn the pool back on and let all that go into the filter? Nothing has settled to where I can vacuum it up... I have read some horrible stories where it clogs up the sand. Its not the worst things to replace, but we just replaced the sand last week. Do I let the pool run now for a couple days before adding anything? I have been relying on my local pool store for my levels. I only have a test that measures chlorine and alkalinity. Its suppose to be in the 90's this week and was hoping we would be able to swim... I'm starting to think that's a dream at this point.
If you have the option on your filter valve for Waste, then vacuum that floc to waste.
 
On the limited basis that Floc is recommend here, it is normally vacuumed to waste before running the water through the filter. I've also read that the time frame is unpredictable and might take up to 48 hours.
 

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UPDATE: never adding Flocculant again! We are 3 days in. Last night we still could not see bottom, but we put the vacuum in and just went for it. (Not a fan of the vacuum to waste option! What a waste of water ☹️) this morning we woke and it was the first time we were able to see bottom. I think the neighborhood even heard! 😁 It’s still cloudy but it’s better. We did another vacuum to waste tonight because we had a lot settle over the day. Then I hooked back up and put in through the filter and just said a couple prayers. I did the entire pool, walls and all. We will see what tomorrow brings. I did bite the bullet and purchased a Taylor k-2006 pool kit to test the water. That will arrive Wednesday.

So my question to everyone at the point is, do I just continue to add 3 quick tabs a day? Or do I add something else? I’m trying to stay clear of the local pool store but if you think I should test the water prior to swimming I will. Prior to the Floc they stated the water was perfect other than the cloudy water. But this weekend will be mod 90’s and we would love to swim.

Thank you again to everyone for all their feedback and support. I am learning a lot from this site and is making owning a pool a little easier. I really was on the fence about just covering it back up!

**the first picture (bluest water) is of tonight after I cleaned it. The other photo is from 3 days ago when we first added the floc.
 

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A jug of liquid chlorine/day until your test kit arrives. I'm afraid you may not be able to use the pool this weekend. It's generally not safe unless the water is clear and you know what the chemical levels are.
 
No tabs. Tabs are stabilized and whether it's with CYA or calcium, stabilizer does not dissipate. Just the liquid chlorine.

Once you get you kit, test for free chlorine, combined chloramines, stabilizer (CYA), pH (provided FC is under 10), Total Alkalinity, and Calcium Hardness.

Imbalanced pH, TA, and CH contribute to cloudy water.
 
To be safe to swim you need a pH between 7.2 and 8.0 (either lower or higher pH can cause skin/eye irritation), a FC between the minimum and SLAM level for your level of CYA (see FC/CYA Levels), be able to see the bottom of the pool and the absence of nastiest such as FLOC, unmixed chemicals, bacteria or algae (keeping FC within the range will take care of the bacteria and algae). As stated by Chris pH, TA and CH can affect your ability to see the bottom of the pool, too high or too low TA can make pH unmanageable and too high or too low CH can make the pool unpleasant and damage your pool and/or pool equipment.

Ultimately is up to you to decide if you want to get into the water or not, but it is going to be quite difficult to known your pH and FC without a good test kit in hand.

Liquid Chlorine is the only reasonable commercially available way to manually add chlorine to a pool without increasing either CYA or CH. Leave trichlor tablets for when you go on vacations and steer away dichlor pucks/shock.

Either if you like to learn or if at some point you start questioning if the amount of FC recommended by TFP is too high, you can check the science behind it on CYA Chlorine Relationship - Further Reading and Pool Water Chemistry
 
Thank you for the reply everyone! This morning we woke to clear water! very little settled overnight but we have clear water! I checked PH this morning and it is 7.4. I will check Chlorine level when I get home, I did not check that this morning. That is the only 2 items I can check with the cheap local store test kit I purchased. I plan on doing another vacuum when I get home and will run a sample over to at least see if its safe to swim. I have a 5 year old boy that has been begging to swim and current temp is 96 degrees outside and I am ready to swim!

I wish new pool owners could see this forum before stepping into a pool sore. I am ashamed to say I looked last night and within 2 weeks our local pool store has added up to $800 bucks! That's nothing but chemicals and a couple cleaning brushes! It's like they prey on the new pool owners and wrap us right around their finger.

Again, I thank everyone who saves us from the pool store guys! I will keep everyone updated. I downloaded the "my pool" app and will update all my numbers on Wednesday!
 

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