Okay to leave algae until spring?

Pool Man Tom

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I'm new to the forum and to pool maintenance. I have two questions:

1. I've neglected maintaining the pool the last couple of weeks and it's turned green. It's time to close the pool for a long Wisconsin winter. Is there any good reason to clear up the algae problem now or can I just cover it up and take care of the algae in the spring? If it is okay to just leave the algae until the spring, are there any chemicals that I should add before covering it for the winter?
2. I see this site recommends using ordinary bleach for chlorination. Is discoloration of the liner a concern at all with bleach?

Any help is appreciated!
 
Hi and Welcome to TFP! Do I have a link for you!!!! Closing (Winterizing) Your Above Ground Pool - Trouble Free Pool

As for leaving the algae already in there...............I would not as that means it will be even harder to clear it in the Spring. What is your water temp? We suggest waiting until the water temps is 60 or below as algae has a harder time growing in those temps.

Kim:kim:
 
Hi tom! Glad u found us!
To answer your bleach question- no, liquid chlorine will not harm your liner if you use it as suggested here which is to pour it slowly in front of a return & brush the area when you’re done. Also you must adhere to the FC/CYA Levels as it indicates the safe fc levels for pools, people, & equipment.
Unfortunately other chlorinating methods, (trichlor, dichlor & cal-hypo)can be very damaging to pool surfaces if they are just thrown in.
Many users here have pictures to prove it 😩
 
Here’s some reading on the pros & cons of each type of chlorination method:

This explains how each chem should be added:
 
Thanks for the helpful replies! I'll get this cleaned up before closing. A couple of newbie questions with liquid bleach:

1. Some places say add bleach slowly by the return jet. Others say walk around pool distributing bleach evenly around the perimeter. Which is best?
2. When buying bleach, if it says no splash or low splash, does that indicate an additive that should be avoided? Or is it some kind of spout design that minimizes splash?
3. To avoid splashing and getting bleach on skin I've seen recommendations to pour it through your manual skimmer attachment. Is this really a thing? Would that really reduce splash? Any recommendations on safely adding bleach to pool?
4. Lastly, what bleach do people buy? Name brand Clorox? Generic? What concentration is commonly available? Where do you buy it from and how much does it typically cost? Are there big sales that I should be watching for?
 
1.I add my chlorine right in front of my return with my pump on high.

2.The non splash = additives added the bleach.

3. I put the bottom of the jug in the pool and tip it over to pour it out. I also make sure to NOT wear "good" clothes as I know I will ruin them :roll:

4. I get chlorine (11%) from my local Ace Hardware store. If they don't have any I go on down to my local pool store.

Kim:kim:
 
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Thanks for the replies! I think things are going as well as can be expected given my limited availability to do pool maintenance during the week. Last Friday I started with pea soup and now I've got no green color at all but still not clear. The water looks blue now (from the liner) but kind of a cloudy/milky blue. I'll hit it hard this weekend. But I do have some more newbie questions:

1. When doing the FC test, how long do you wait to see if pink returns to the sample? I get to the point where the sample appears void of pink color, then I go add the required bleach to the pool, and when I come back in, the sample has become pink again. It's also hard to judge when the sample is totally clear or still has a hint of pinkish color. How accurate is this testing? To me it seems like it's +/- a drop or two, which is plus or minus 0.5 to 1.0 ppm (the difference between passing or failing the overnight test).
2. Where in the pool do you take samples from? My pool is all one depth. So, by the jet where I add the bleach? On the other side of the pool from the jet? Somewhere in between?
3. I've found generic bleach with 7.5% sodium hypochlorite, 81 oz. bottles for $3. Anybody getting it much cheaper? I've bought 20 bottles so far. I'm afraid the Walmart employees and the guys that collect my recyclables are gonna think I'm cleaning up a murder scene!
4. The bleach says 7.5% sodium hypochlorite but also says yields 7.13% available chlorine. Why the difference? Which percentage do I use in Pool Math?
5. It looks like the Pool Math app is related to this site. Why is the 81 oz bottle not one of the pull-down menu options for bleach jug size? It seems like the most common size I'm seeing.
6. Is it safe to swim in a pool at SLAM level? Or should the pool not be used for swimming until after the SLAM has completed and you let the FC level fall into the recommended range? It seems like a heck of a lot of bleach to be swimming in.
7. What happens to the bleach as the FC level falls? Where does it go?
8. After getting rid of the green color, what in the water makes it still be cloudy? And how does bleach alone get rid of that cloudiness? In the past when I got to this point, I would use some algicide and Diamond Blue super concentrated water clarifier. This seemed to work much quicker than bleach and required much less chemical. Looking for reassurance - you're saying I shouldn't be using that stuff, right?
9. Is it true that testing for CYA and pH during the slam process will not yield accurate results?
10. At the beginning I added CYA to get to 30. So my SLAM FC target is 12. I tested yesterday morning, FC was 6.5, and added appropriate bleach to get back to 12. I didn't test again until tonight - FC was 7 and I again added appropriate bleach to get to 12. So I feel I'm getting close. CC is 0. Keep SLAMing, right?
11. Water temp is currently 56 F. Does that kill algae? Can new algae still grow?

I know it's a lot. If you just want to answer some of my questions, that's cool. Thanks!
 
Did you read SLAM Process? For a SLAM to be successful in a reasonable amount of time, you should be testing your FC and adding liquid chlorine 3-4 times per day. I suggest you start doing that and things will move along quickly.

FC test is done once the sample turns to clear (no color). Dispose at that time.
Take your samples from below the water surface at the same general location each time.
Liquid chlorine in typically available at Home Depot, Lowes, Ace, pool stores, etc. I suspect you are adding household bleach that normally has additives you do not want. The product you are using is not normally used by pool owners.
You can safely swim in a pool as long as the FC is above the minimum and at or below SLAM level based on your CYA. You must also be able to see the bottom of the pool in the deep end of the pool.
Bleach ends up being salt in your water.
Water is cloudy because you have organics in the water. Algae is not always green.
Algaecide and clarifier are not needed and may, actually will, complicate your process and make a mess.
CYA can be tested during the SLAM. pH test is not valid if the FC level is above 10 ppm.
Low temperature does not kill algae. It does limit its rate of growth.
 
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1. The fc test is done when you get to clear. If u leave the sample it will turn back pink.
its quite accurate- be sure to look at it with a white background.
2. I always take my sample from the place with the least circulation so I can be sure I dose w/ enough chlorine
3. Around here I buy @ a local pool store for roughly $2.75 a gal for 10.5% its in 2.5 gal refillable jugs - i pay a deposit on the jug
Manufacturers have lowered the size of the jugs due to covid - most are 128 oz /1 gal
The oz is what matters in poolmath - i never use the jug calculation
4. Its not that much of a difference- just put 7%
5. Manufacturers have lowered the size of the jugs due to covid - most are 128 oz /1 gal
The oz is what matters in poolmath - i never use the jug calculation

6. It is safe to swim up to slam level for your cya as long as you can see the bottom of the pool. The cya binds some of the active chlorine. All slam amounts on the FC/CYA Levels have equivalent amounts of active chlorine
7. It gets consumed by organics in the water & the sun. The salt remains.
8. That is dead algae. For there to keep being dead algae there has to at some point be live algae - that’s what the chlorine is for - to get ahead of the cycle. The filter will take care of the dead while u kill any remaining. That’s what clear water is one of the 3 end of slam criteria in the SLAM Process
9.cya should be accurate but it also shouldn’t change much during the process. Before beginning slam u need to know your cya level to dose properly
Ph test is inaccurate @ fc levels above 10ppm. That’s why you adjust ph to 7.2 before beginning slam.
your focus should be on fc during the majority of the slam
10. Keep slamming until u meet ALL 3 END Of SLAM CRITERIA.
The more often you test & bring back up to slam level the faster you will meet all the criteria. At least 3 x’s daily but not more than once an hour.
11. Cooler water temps slow its growth but do not eradicate algae
12. There is no 12 - slam on👍🏻
 

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Did you read SLAM Process? For a SLAM to be successful in a reasonable amount of time, you should be testing your FC and adding liquid chlorine 3-4 times per day. I suggest you start doing that and things will move along quickly.

FC test is done once the sample turns to clear (no color). Dispose at that time.
Take your samples from below the water surface at the same general location each time.
Liquid chlorine in typically available at Home Depot, Lowes, Ace, pool stores, etc. I suspect you are adding household bleach that normally has additives you do not want. The product you are using is not normally used by pool owners.
You can safely swim in a pool as long as the FC is above the minimum and at or below SLAM level based on your CYA. You must also be able to see the bottom of the pool in the deep end of the pool.
Bleach ends up being salt in your water.
Water is cloudy because you have organics in the water. Algae is not always green.
Algaecide and clarifier are not needed and may, actually will, complicate your process and make a mess.
CYA can be tested during the SLAM. pH test is not valid if the FC level is above 10 ppm.
gggLow temperature does not kill algae. It does limit its rate of growth.
Did you read SLAM Process? For a SLAM to be successful in a reasonable amount of time, you should be testing your FC and adding liquid chlorine 3-4 times per day. I suggest you start doing that and things will move along quickly.

FC test is done once the sample turns to clear (no color). Dispose at that time.
Take your samples from below the water surface at the same general location each time.
Liquid chlorine in typically available at Home Depot, Lowes, Ace, pool stores, etc. I suspect you are adding household bleach that normally has additives you do not want. The product you are using is not normally used by pool owners.
You can safely swim in a pool as long as the FC is above the minimum and at or below SLAM level based on your CYA. You must also be able to see the bottom of the pool in the deep end of the pool.
Bleach ends up being salt in your water.
Water is cloudy because you have organics in the water. Algae is not always green.
Algaecide and clarifier are not needed and may, actually will, complicate your process and make a mess.
CYA can be tested during the SLAM. pH test is not valid if the FC level is above 10 ppm.
Low temperature does not kill algae. It does limit its rate of growth.

I did read SLAM and I understand that I'm not doing it properly. I'm not available during the week to do more than 1 or 2 maintenance checks per day but I figured slow progress was better than no progress. With the green eliminated now, I'm hoping I can hit it hard this weekend and hopefully be done. This article Recommended Pool Chemicals - Trouble Free Pool was shared with me earlier in this thread and it recommended common household bleach with no additives. So that's what I'm using. Why would this article recommend common household bleach if that's not normally used by pool owners? Should the article be updated?
 
As household bleach has evolved to having additives and being very low in concentration, it will soon be time to modify our articles that show it as a viable liquid chlorine alternative. If you are able to find plain household bleach, great. But it is a dwindling resource for pool owners.
 
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Tom,

For your chlorine/ bleach, pool stores and big box hardware stores like Menards often carry 10% or 12.5% in gallon jugs, often labeled "liquid shock". I get 4 gal case of 12.5% for around $12 in Chicago area. Its much more convenient than all those little 7% strength bottles. You may be good for rest of this season on what you have but keep in mind for next year.
 
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Been slamming for 3.5 weeks now. Using 12.5% pool shock now. The green is long gone and water looks blue. Some nights I'm passing the overnight loss test with a loss of 1.0 ppm. Other nights I fail with a loss of 1.5 ppm. A few days ago I had to go 36 hours between chlorine checks and it only dropped 3.0 ppm in 36 hours. I do have a hint of CC in my results (1 drop of R-0871 is more than enough to turn sample clear again). But my water is not clear. I've been at this point for over 2 weeks now - no green, water looks blue, minimal FC loss, but water won't turn clear. Having trouble trusting the process, lol. Looking for reassurance. So tempted to add Diamond Blue super concentrated water clarifier that I've used in the past. I'm confident it would result in clear water within 12 hours. Why is my water not clearing up? I need to be done and close the pool for the winter ASAP!
 
Are u Running your pump 24/7?
Have u been cleaning your filter when pressure rises by 25%?
Also are you vacuuming &/or brushing daily?
be sure u have eliminated any possible source of algae like lights, steps, skimmer weir doors, lone pool toys Etc.
I would definitely check all those things before resorting to any type of clarifier.
 
Yes, running pump/filter 24/7 for the last 3.5 weeks. Pressure has not risen above 20% but I've still cleaned the filter once a week (was cleaning it every other day the first week when water was green). Vacuuming and brushing 2 or 3 times a week. There's usually nothing visible to vacuum or brush except a small pile of leaves in the middle. I removed the steps a week ago (there was some very minor algae in the nooks and crannies). There are no lights, steps, or pool toys in the pool. Skimmer and weir door are clean.
 

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