Jandy Aqua Pure 1400 Replacements vs. aging pool equipment

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I bought my house 2 years ago and the pool is now 14 year old with some aging equipment. I've had some basic maintenance issues such as spa cover, spa valve was leaking causing water to drain back into the pool, replaced pool robot, and replaced the spa air bubbler. I now have issues with the Jandy SWG that I've tried to address but don't want to dump money into a 10+ year control unit and 7 year cell. It seems the easiest play would be to replace the Jandy salt cell and possible the control board if the error codes persist. However, I am thinking long term this might not be the best approach. First, the Jandy has struggled to maintain FC and throws error codes (171/189 and now 121) nearly daily for 2 years. Yes -- it's at the end of it's life but their warranty practices are BS and I've been plagued with concerns since taking ownership.

I don't see the value in spending $4-6K in automation (received quotes in NJ) but it would be nice to be able to turn the heater on/off and adjust temperature per phone. Yes, it might be nice to be able to switch from pool mode to spa mode and all that but I can easily just go to the equipment when I am out by the pool. I have 2 LEDs in the pool and 1 in the SPA and each controlled by switches. I don't see a ton of vaue being able to control via phone. I can't adjust my pump nor really understand the value of wanting to see/change. The system is controlled by an old tork timer that works and that would be nice to control by phone as I often want to keep the filter running after the 8 hour cycle. So, there's some value in automation but not everything.

Since, I need to replace SWG I am debating the Pentair 1C60 and the CircuPool RJ60 that support 60K. The Pentair has a ton of features and customization that might be nice in the future. So, do I start going down that route with Pentair and replacing components as they fail? Would their automation line support my current heater? Or is it Pentair specific? I don't see a huge need to replace a newish pump but I will in the future as my kids are 3 and 6 years old. Or, does it make more sense to go with CircuPool given my current need?

20 X 44 Lazy "EL" w/ Spillway SW-505 Stratford raised spa w/ spillover * 14 years old **
Puri Tech Silent Twister Spa Blower 2hp ** New Summer 2020 *
60sqft Hayward DEF ** Original? 14 years old old? **
Hayward 2hp super pump *** 3-4 years old ***
Jandy AquaPure 1400 SWG *** Jandy said board looks 10 years old but pool is 14 years old and cell is 7 years old ***
Raypak 406K RP2100 heater *** Original? 14 years old? **
 
You could go with the IntelliConnect to control the IC60 and it has two relays one for your single speed pump and one for pool lights. If you replaced your pump with an Intelliflo down the road you'd free up a relay which you can use for your spa lights. You can also add a heater. But you can't control any valve actuators, you'd have to upgrade to the IntelliCenter to get that functionality - you can get bundled systems that include IC60 to save some money.

IntelliConnect Review

I'm a new pool owner that has the IntelliConnect System from Pentair installed. I was not able to find much on this site regarding the IntelliConnect product, so I wanted to share my experience so far. IntelliConnect Install Guide [ Link ] IntelliConnect App User Guide [ Link ] IntelliConnect...
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You could go with the IntelliConnect to control the IC60 and it has two relays one for your single speed pump and one for pool lights. If you replaced your pump with an Intelliflo down the road you'd free up a relay which you can use for your spa lights. You can also add a heater. But you can't control any valve actuators, you'd have to upgrade to the IntelliCenter to get that functionality - you can get bundled systems that include IC60 to save some money.

IntelliConnect Review

I'm a new pool owner that has the IntelliConnect System from Pentair installed. I was not able to find much on this site regarding the IntelliConnect product, so I wanted to share my experience so far. IntelliConnect Install Guide [ Link ] IntelliConnect App User Guide [ Link ] IntelliConnect...
www.troublefreepool.com www.troublefreepool.com
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The 2 relays can be used to power on/off an external component such as ANY pump, heater, lights, or any electrical connection correct? Similar to on/off on a smart switch? As I replace the pump/heater with a Pentair product, it would be rewired into the IntelliConnect and free up the relay(s), correct?

IntilliCenter upgrade over the IntelliConnect would just get me valve control?

I think this might be exactly what I am looking for...
 
Yes, the relays are like a smart switch and you can ditch the Torq timer. You would use one relay for the superpump and one for pool lights. The IntelliChlor uses RS485 and the heater uses the firemans switch. When you replace your filter pump you must get an Intellflo which would be controlled via RS485 to free up a relay. I would read the installation manual so you can confirm that the IntelliConnect meets your needs.
 
Thank you for the help. I read the manual and the IntelliConnect looks like it might work nicely. I don't think I can use the IC60 without IntelliConnect as 20% increments on the SWG won't work for me. To confirm, the Pentair app would allow 1% increments, correct?

If I understand correctly, the IC60 SWG would connect to the IntelliConnect via 1 of the 2 RS485 terminals. What are the 2 terminals to the right of the RS485 in diagram 5 refer to? If I use a SWG and IntelliConnect, I MUST connect my single stage pump via one of the 2 relays. After I upgrade to a Pentair pump, I would wire to the other RS485 terminal which would free up a rely. Would the Pentair 2 stage pump work too? I see a few pump restrictions in the manual.

There's a separate connection for the heater but it isn't clear what functionality that provides. Does it just allow the power on/off via the app? Is it possible to control temperature too?

What would the other RS485 terminal be used for? Is the intent for a pump and SWG?

Can the rely be used for any traditional power on/off switch? I currently have 3 switches: spa bubbler, pool lights, and spa light. After I switch to the Pentair pump, I could use both relays for spa bubbler and spa/pool lights combined (assuming I can do that).

I would then remove the Torq timer as the IntelliConnect would be powered 24/7 and scheduled to run pump, swg, etc. ?
 
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From IntelliConnect Review I linked to earlier:

IntelliChlor Screen
The next option from the home screen is the IntelliChlor. This shows me the current setting for the SWG and allows me to change the setting in 5% increments. The bottom of the page shows the salt level (it's way too high as the builder added too much salt) and the water temperature. There is also a boost option, which will temporarily increase the chlorine generation and pump speed for a period of time that you can define. It defaults to 72 hours.
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Circuit board from the installation manual below. There is one RS485 connector, the other connectors are temp sensor and 24V heater connection.

IntelliConnect controls the heater via a firemans switch and switches off heater once setpoint is reached (that's why a temp sensor is needed).

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Yes, your Hayward pump must be on a relay so you only have one left unless you replace with Intelliflo. The relays can turn on/off any electrical device including both lights or spa blower. The review linked above mentions the scheduling:

When managing the IntelliFlo pump and SWG through the App, there are 4 pre-sets that you can manager as a schedule, Egg Timer or Manual. According to the manual, there are 8 presets that can be configured, but only 4 are available through the app.
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I think I am set on Pentair but now I am debating EasyTouch after reading Automation - EasyTouch vs IntelliConnect I called Pentair and asked them a few questions but not sure how accurate.

1) IntelliConnect (523317) $275 + IC60 (521105) $860 + IC60's Power Center (520556) $360 + Temp Sensor for heater control (520272 ) $45
2) EasyTouch 8 System Pool and Spa w/IC60P Cell (521150) $2K

That's a difference of $500 which is interesting because I could then control the spa valves and then could control the 2 pool lights and spa light on 2 separate relays instead of combining them together. I'd have additional relays so I could wire the spa blower now and not have to wait for the next pump to have a free relay. Support said I would NOT need a temp sensor for external heat control but I don't see how EasyTouch could do that. What confused me was that EasyTouch does not have an app? You need to have ScreenLogic? IntelliConnect uses the Wifi and uses an app so not sure why EasyTouch would require yet another add-on? I am trying to justify the EasyTouch system to get the spa support but for $500 isn't really worth it. What else am I missing?
 
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