First time pool owner needs help

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May 3, 2019
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So I've filled in my signature as requested, and here's a bit of back story: I live in South Florida and my house was built in 1972. Almost everything is original. I moved in about 3 years ago and spent 2 years paying shady pool guys as much as $80 a week to come maintain my pool and they kept disappearing, leaving me with a green swamp of tadpoles which would cost me hundreds with the next guy. Even at their best, the pool would only look good for a few hours after they left. It's in a screened in patio, yet there is constantly stuff floating on the surface: dirt, bugs, other little stuff. I kept asking why and they say "that's just how outdoor pools are" but I know that's not true. There's always little piles of dirt at the bottom of the pool too.

Upon the third swamping, I finally gave up and decided to go DIY. I went to a local pool supply store and they told me I should just drain the pool and start from scratch. I rented a big submersible pump from Home Depot and drained it bone-dry. I refilled with city water, got it tested, and bought a new filter and over $400 worth of chemicals to get it to pass their water test. I've been shelling out hundreds every couple of months ever since to keep buying all their fancy chemicals and products and doing everything myself, following their directions to a T, and still don't have a pool worth swimming in. I've complained to them and their best advice is to hire one of their (expensive) professional consultants to come out and advise. They say if my main drain and skimmer is working properly, the pool shouldn't have anything at the bottom nor floating at the surface. I'm sick of this unusable money pit and just need some solid direction and guidance and hoping I can find some help here.

I open my skimmer lid and see stuff in there all the time, but nothing ever gets sucked down. It's like a clump of debris just floating at the surface. I've only got one jet in the pool located about 1 foot from the east corner of the north wall facing directly south, and it has a pretty powerful stream as I can't hold my hand over it, yet it's always blowing bubbles. Looking down into the pool, you can see it as a heavy stream of bubbles. I'm guessing this means I have a leak somewhere, but I've checked everywhere and even redone all of near-and-above ground piping just to be sure. Do I not have a strong enough motor? Do I need a bigger filter? Stats are in signature, the filter runs at an average of 14-15 psi and the store says this is high. Please help. I'm so fed up. Summer is coming and I've got 4 angry kids who can't swim!
 
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Welcome to TFP.

First thing you need to get your own test kit. We give no credence to pool store testing. Either the TF-100 Test Kits or Taylor K-2006C will do. See Test Kits Compared. Also get the Speedstir Magnetic Stirrer . It makes testing easier and more accurate.

Did you add any stabilizer to your water? If not you should add using the sock method enough to raise it to 30ppm. Use PoolMath to calculate the quantity needed.

You need to raise your CL to at least 3 PPM using liquid chlorine/bleach. Not Clorox, and with no scents or additives. Add 2-3ppm of LC a day to your pool until you get your test kit.

Once you get your test kit post your test results.

Finally post pics of your equipment, valves, and pool and let us see what you have.

I suggest you review ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry and other Pool School articles at Table of Contents - Trouble Free Pool

We can get you going if you follow the TFPC process. Ask questions where you need more explanation.
 
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So I've filled in my signature as requested, and here's a bit of back story: I live in South Florida and my house was built in 1972. Almost everything is original. I moved in about 3 years ago and spent 2 years paying shady pool guys as much as $80 a week to come maintain my pool and they kept disappearing, leaving me with a green swamp of tadpoles which would cost me hundreds with the next guy. Even at their best, the pool would only look good for a few hours after they left. It's in a screened in patio, yet there is constantly stuff floating on the surface: dirt, bugs, other little stuff. I kept asking why and they say "that's just how outdoor pools are" but I know that's not true. There's always little piles of dirt at the bottom of the pool too.

Upon the third swamping, I finally gave up and decided to go DIY. I went to a local pool supply store and they told me I should just drain the pool and start from scratch. I rented a big submersible pump from Home Depot and drained it bone-dry. I refilled with city water, got it tested, and bought a new filter and over $400 worth of chemicals to get it to pass their water test. I've been shelling out hundreds every couple of months ever since to keep buying all their fancy chemicals and products and doing everything myself, following their directions to a T, and still don't have a pool worth swimming in. I've complained to them and their best advice is to hire one of their (expensive) professional consultants to come out and advise. They say if my main drain and skimmer is working properly, the pool shouldn't have anything at the bottom nor floating at the surface. I'm sick of this unusable money pit and just need some solid direction and guidance and hoping I can find some help here.

I open my skimmer lid and see stuff in there all the time, but nothing ever gets sucked down. It's like a clump of debris just floating at the surface. I've only got one jet in the pool located about 1 foot from the east corner of the north wall facing directly south, and it has a pretty powerful stream as I can't hold my hand over it, yet it's always blowing bubbles. Looking down into the pool, you can see it as a heavy stream of bubbles. I'm guessing this means I have a leak somewhere, but I've checked everywhere and even redone all of near-and-above ground piping just to be sure. Do I not have a strong enough motor? Do I need a bigger filter? Stats are in signature, the filter runs at an average of 14-15 psi and the store says this is high. Please help. I'm so fed up. Summer is coming and I've got 4 angry kids who can't swim!

Man your story gives me the chills. I’m so sorry you’ve had to deal with all that.

The good news is that you’ve found a really incredible place. This entire site is a non profit community full of people that just want to help others keep pools that are beautiful and hassle free.

Read through the articles above, and buy the TF-100 test kit and a Speedstir. That’ll give you the tools you need to easily understand what’s in your water. Ask all the questions you want. Good luck and welcome!!
 
I am going to share a set of links I put together for new pool owners. It has many links to help you know what do to and when to do it:
Print these out:
Pool School - Basic Pool Care Schedule

Pool School - Recommended Levels

Bookmark these:
Pool School - Recommended Pool Chemicals

Trouble Free Pool

Pool School - ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry

What you are going to love is most of the stuff can be bought at Walmart or Lowes!!! Your water will look better than it ever had before!

Once you get your own test kit post up the numbers like this:
FC
pH
TA
CH
CYA

There are videos on how to do each test.

Kim:kim:
 
Hello SB and welcome! :wave: Well, you've been through the ringer over there right? Many others before TFP have as well. We'll help. Hang in there. You and I have very similar set-ups, so I can say that your filter is fine, and I suspect your pump size is as well. Sure, you have some "unknowns" there with the plumbing and perhaps chemistry, but we'll help you. Try not to let it all overwhelm you. One step at a time fellow TFP'er. Read/save all the links everyone is showing you, and we'll handle your issues in a way that you can understand and tackle. You should see an improvement to your water condition, circulation, and checkbook soon. If you have questions -ask! That's what we're here for.

Have a nice weekend. :swim:
 
SB,

While it is true that if you want to take care of your own pool, you will need a professional and accurate test kit, let's see if we can work on your skimmer issues first.

You say you have very good flow out of your single return line. In theory this should mean your pump is pushing water through your filter and then back to your pool. So why does your skimmer not working well?

I assume that to take the picture of your skimmer, you took out the skimmer basket.. Is that true?

The first thing I would do if this were my pool, is to shut off the main drain and then just open it just a little, maybe 10% open. This should cause more suction to go to the skimmer.

Skimmers do not work as well if the water is above the middle of the skimmer mouth. So check your water level.

Skimmers do not function well if the Weir door is broken or missing. Check to make sure you have a Weir door and that it floats up and down with the water level.

Just based upon the picture, it appears to me that your Weir door is missing.

You have bubbles, which indicates that you have a suction side air leak. Most likely right at the pump. You should inspect the O-ring (or in your case a Square-Ring :) ) Make sure it is in good shape and has a good coating of pool lube. Pumps often leak at the threaded connections. Are the pipes going back to the pool ridge PVC or are they flexible pipes?

You don't "need" a new filter, but I am always amused by the pool builders in Florida that always install miniature filters.. :mrgreen: The bigger the filter, the longer between cleanings. Speaking of cleaning, when was the last time you cleaned your filter?

Thanks for posting,

Jim R.
 
Thank you for all the responses. As suggested, I've ordered a replacement skimmer basket and weir door as mine are missing, the Taylor K-2006C test kit, and a new gasket with lube for the pump basket. I should have it all this weekend, so I'll check back in to let y'all know how it goes.

Question: judging by the photo of my skimmer, and the photo of the skimmer basket (attached below), how am I supposed to install it, exactly? My skimmer is essentially the shape of a 5 gallon bucket with a single inlet pipe at the bottom offset to one side. The skimmer basket appears to have a recessed portion on the bottom with a small peg. How do I orientate this thing within the skimmer?

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