Problem with Pentair Easy Touch

ms17001

Member
Sep 26, 2023
6
Annapolis, MD
So I have a problem I have been trying to figure out for 3 years. Hoping someone on here may help.

I have a new (3 year old) pool and spa.

When the pool/spa was initially installed I had 1 variable speed pump, 2 deck laminears, waterfall, auto cover, and suction side pool cleaner. Functions are all controlled by electronic actuators.

When storms come through, our power flickers quite a bit before going all the way out. When the power flickers my whole home generator will turn on then off when utility power returns. When we finally loose utility power, the generator will run until it returns (for sometimes many hours). While the generator was running (sometimes for several hours), the waterfall feature will randomly turn on and pump water onto the automatic cover. Luckily I was home and able to turn off the breaker to the pool panel to stop the feature.

Around this time, I also wanted to be able to run my water features while in spa mode. I had my pool company come out and install another variable speed pump plumbed into my suction side port for the cleaner (cleaner eliminated), which would now provide water for the laminears and waterfall.

after we made this chance, We lost power and while the generator was running the waterfall turned on again....

I witnesses this several times and called pentair to find a solution. They told me that it must be caused by the generator and they had never heard of this before.

I called my generator installer and had them place the pool on a load shed, which would not allow the pool panel to receive power while the generator was running unless I physically push a button to allow it to be energized. I figured this would permanently solve the problem.

Last week, we had storms come through and lost power. The power flickered many times before going all the way out. The generator turned on and the load shed did not allow the pool panel to be energized. The generator ran from 12am - 3am, no issues. Utility power returned at 3am and the pool panel was energized. At this time (verified on security camera) the waterfall turned on by itself. It continued to run until 7am when I woke up and looked out the window to see ~16" of water on my auto cover. As I mentioned above, the pump for these features are plumbed into my old cleaner line. Once the waterfall sucked down the water to this inlet it ran the pump dry and cold not continue to pump more water. I am extremely suprised that the auto cover did not break or tear. I guess it really can hold an elephant!

When I saw the water on the cover, I ran out to the pool panel. It was illuminated and on but no words were displayed on the screen. My phone app, should nothing on and just had 2 -- (blank lines) where the temp would normally be.
Link to video of panel: IMG_2404.MOV

I read a bunch of posts on this forum and see a lot of interesting threads, nothing that matches my senario exactly. Saw something similar that @Jimrahbe was able to help someone with. Jim (or other pentair expert) I would be willing to pay for your time to walk though this issue and see if we can get it resolved. Seems that it might be the motherboard of the panel, but I would hate to replace it just to find out something was wired incorrectly or set up incorrectly.

Thanks in advance if anyone can help.
 

Attachments

  • IMG_2406.jpeg
    IMG_2406.jpeg
    635.7 KB · Views: 16
Welcome to TFP.

My phone app, should nothing on and just had 2 -- (blank lines) where the temp would normally be.

I think the lack of temperatures is a clue to what is happening.

When the panel loses the temperatures it will go into FREEZE PROTECTION mode.

I think @Jimrahbe can help you turn off FREEZE PROTECTION for the waterfall circuit.

Do you close your pool in the winter?
 
ms,

I can't help with generator issues, but your LCD screen not showing anything sounds like one of the voltages that power the main card is missing.

Things that I would check..

1. Makes sure than none of the small breakers in the upper right of the ET have popped.

2. In some cases an external device can go bad and load the power supply voltages down. The only way to know for sure, is to unplug everything from the main ET card except the main power input connector. Obviously, you need to make sure that you know where to connect each item back up. If the display is still bad, with only the power connected then it has to be a bad main card or the system transformer has gone bad. Based on my past experience, I would not think it is the transformer, but something that I would check before ordering a new card.

3. And... just to make sure, use a voltmeter and test the 240 volts into the ET. Test between L1 and L2 and make sure you have 240 VAC. Do not test L1 to ground and the L2 to ground as that can give you a false reading.

Let me know if you think the main card is bad and I'll walk you through how to test the transformer.

Let's see of Tom has any words of wisdom... Calling @ogdento

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
Welcome to TFP.



I think the lack of temperatures is a clue to what is happening.

When the panel loses the temperatures it will go into FREEZE PROTECTION mode.

I think @Jimrahbe can help you turn off FREEZE PROTECTION for the waterfall circuit.

Do you close your pool in the winter?
Thank you. Yes I close the pool in the winter, but leave the spa open. Right now I have the breaker for the feature pump turned off at the pool panel so this cannot happen again
 
ms,

I can't help with generator issues, but your LCD screen not showing anything sounds like one of the voltages that power the main card is missing.

Things that I would check..

1. Makes sure than none of the small breakers in the upper right of the ET have popped.

2. In some cases an external device can go bad and load the power supply voltages down. The only way to know for sure, is to unplug everything from the main ET card except the main power input connector. Obviously, you need to make sure that you know where to connect each item back up. If the display is still bad, with only the power connected then it has to be a bad main card or the system transformer has gone bad. Based on my past experience, I would not think it is the transformer, but something that I would check before ordering a new card.

3. And... just to make sure, use a voltmeter and test the 240 volts into the ET. Test between L1 and L2 and make sure you have 240 VAC. Do not test L1 to ground and the L2 to ground as that can give you a false reading.

Let me know if you think the main card is bad and I'll walk you through how to test the transformer.

Let's see of Tom has any words of wisdom... Calling @ogdento

Thanks,

Jim R.
Jim, I should have clarified that in the video that is how the panel looked at the time the waterfall was running on its own. I cannot put the panel into service mode as seen in the video. The only way I have been able to correct the problem is to turn off the main breaker (at the house panel) and then turn it back on. Once I do that, everything returns to normal and operates correctly (on my phone and at the pool panel)
 
Follow Jim's troubleshooting, but Allen came up with a possible clue.

Keep in mind: freeze protection exists in more than one place. Your EasyTouch (ET) has a freeze protection mode, but your pump's might, too (mine does). The pump's freeze protection is independent of the ET's. You can shut down or adjust the ET's freeze mode, but that won't affect the pump's (which will override anything you try to change in the ET). If you need to defeat freeze protection for a given pump, you have to do so in both the ET and the pump. Refer to the owner manuals for how to do either.

Even if you or your generator circuitry turn off the power to the ET, if your pump has power, its freeze protection will function as designed.
 
Last edited:
Keep in mind: freeze protection exists in more than one place. Your EasyTouch (ET) has a freeze protection mode, but your pump's might, too (mine does). The pump's freeze protection is independent of the ET's.


The pumps freeze protection does not trigger off the lack of an air temperature reading in the EasyTouch.

The problem is in the EesyTouch.
 
The pumps freeze protection does not trigger off the lack of an air temperature reading in the EasyTouch.
Correct. Depending on the pump, it may have its own temperature sensor and freeze mode functions and settings, independent of EasyTouch, or any controller at all.

My point was: if the problem turns out to be a freeze mode triggering the feature pump to run, and the OP wants to defeat that, he must do so in both the ET and in the pump.
 
One other note, is that on my app I only see one pump (which is the filter pump). I do not see the other variable speed pump that comes on when a feature is activated. Is that how it should be?

It strange to me how I had this same problem with the waterfall turning on by itself before I had the other pump installed....
 

Attachments

  • IMG_2435.PNG
    IMG_2435.PNG
    102.9 KB · Views: 1
You have to tell EasyTouch about the other pump. Do you know if that was done correctly? It would be in the "config" component of the software (I believe that is a second app, the desktop version is two apps, one for day-to-day and one for configuration.)
 

Enjoying this content?

Support TFP with a donation.

Give Support
Here, in the SL Config app. If EasyTouch doesn't support your feature pump, then the installer would have set up a different way to schedule it, and it might not then show up as a pump in your interface. It may be running off of one of your relays, such that you could turn it on and off and schedule it, but it wouldn't be considered a pump by the software (you wouldn't be able to control its RPMs nor get status about it in the app). What is the brand and model of your feature pump?

IMG_BF0364C992D5-1.jpeg

I think EasyTouch only supports IntelliFlo pumps for all the interface goodies, and only two of them at that.
 
Last edited:
Here, in the SL Config app. If EasyTouch doesn't support your feature pump, then the installer would have set up a different way to schedule it, and it might not then show up as a pump in your interface. It may be running off of one of your relays, such that you could turn it on and off and schedule it, but it wouldn't be considered a pump by the software (you wouldn't be able to control its RPMs nor get status about it in the app). What is the brand and model of your feature pump?

View attachment 532644

I think EasyTouch only supports IntelliFlo pumps for all the interface goodies, and only two of them at that.
The feature pump is a pentair Superflo VST
 
The feature pump is a pentair Superflo VST
We'll have to check with @Jimrahbe, but I don't think a Superflo will show up as a pump in the ET pump interface. It's probably wired to a 24/7 power, and its control circuit to an ET relay, so that you can schedule it, and turn it on and off with the ET. Maybe who set that up gave it a custom name, but the ET can poll the pump and get or control its RPM or flow.

Did you make any progress with the other troubleshooting tips Jim gave you?
 
From the Superflo VS Wiki page ---

The SuperFlo VS, Supermax VS, and WhisperFlo VST pumps manufactured after 11/20/2020 with RS-485 communication can digitally communicate with IntelliCenter, IntelliSync, EasyTouch, and IntelliTouch systems.

The SuperFlo VS pumps manufactured before 11/20/2020 can connect to automation systems using an external low voltage control and a relay for each speed.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dirk
From the Superflo VS Wiki page ---

The SuperFlo VS, Supermax VS, and WhisperFlo VST pumps manufactured after 11/20/2020 with RS-485 communication can digitally communicate with IntelliCenter, IntelliSync, EasyTouch, and IntelliTouch systems.

The SuperFlo VS pumps manufactured before 11/20/2020 can connect to automation systems using an external low voltage control and a relay for each speed.
Thanks Marty! So ms, how old is your pump? If it's pre 2020, that's the problem. If it's new enough, then something else is going on. Keep in mind, you can't go by when it was installed. Your installer might have had an old one laying around and sold you that. Check the labels.
 
@mknauss, would you know? How does "Pump 1" and "Pump 2" get assigned? Do Pentair controllers know which pump is which, when there is more than one on the RS-485 bus, or do you have to set up something in the pump's control panel first?
 
Found it. You have to set the pump address in the pump control panel:

Setting the Clock and Pump Address​

When power is first connected to the pump the clock
will blink to indicate that is has not been set. Custom
schedules are based on this clock setting, so the clock
must be set first.
1. Press and hold Display for 3 seconds.
2. Use "+" and "-" to choose between a 12 or 24 hour
time format.
3. Press Display to advance.
4. Use "+" and "-" to program the current time.
Note: In the 12 hour time format AM/PM will
display in the bottom right corner.
5. Press Display to advance.
6. Use "+" and "-" to adjust the screen backlight
brightness.
7. Press Display to advance.
8. If controlling pump via RS-485: Use "+" and "-"
to assign one of two pump addresses, then press
Display to exit the menu.
If controlling the pump via digital inputs or from
the drive: Press Display twice to exit the menu
So you have to determine the age of your SuperFlo, then determine if it's connected to your ET with an RS-485 cable, then determine if its pump address is set correctly.
 
  • Like
Reactions: mknauss
@mknauss @Jimrahbe
I'll check the age of the pump, it was just installed last year (2022 - but I'll still check). Could this have anything to do with it turning on by itself?

My thought was that if the pump is wired to a ET relay (which could have been the same ET relay my actuator was wired to prior to installing the pump), could the ET relay be bad?

Strange how I'm having the same exact problem, prior and post feature pump installation....
 

Enjoying this content?

Support TFP with a donation.

Give Support
Thread Status
Hello , This thread has been inactive for over 60 days. New postings here are unlikely to be seen or responded to by other members. For better visibility, consider Starting A New Thread.