CYA to be outlawed in Florida?

[PoolGate]

My sister runs a commercial pool and told me that Florida is considering banning CYA totally. She said it's already banned in hot tubs. Any truth to this?

 

[Jimrahbe]

PG,

It is Florida, so it would not surprise me...

It is apparent that they don't even like filters...

Even if true, I suspect it would be more of a commercial pool rule, than it would be a personal pool rule.

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[JoyfulNoise]

They are probably just considering following what other State health departments have done - limit cyanurates in a public/commercial pool. It’s doubtful they’d even try to do anything on the residential end because enforcement would be impossible.

 

[PoolGate]

Right commercial that's what I mean. It sounds to me like they simply don't understand the CYA to CHLORINE level and keep the same (low) chlorine level regardless of CYA.

 

[PoolGate]

Oh FYI they also use chlorine pucks that don't have CYA in them.

 

[JoyfulNoise]

Right commercial that's what I mean. It sounds to me like they simply don't understand the CYA to CHLORINE level and keep the same (low) chlorine level regardless of CYA.

Yeah. They’re only looking at studies that show how cya makes contact kill times longer … but they don’t control the data set for HOCl levels, they simply fix the FC and then vary the CYA. So, duh, of course it makes pathogen kill times longer.

 

[JoyfulNoise]

PG,

It is Florida, so it would not surprise me...

It is apparent that they don't even like filters...

Even if true, I suspect it would be more of a commercial pool rule, than it would be a personal pool rule.

Thanks,

Jim R.

It must be embarrassing to be a pool owner in FL … all those dinky filters everywhere. Except, the Floridians will just scoff and say, “it’s not the size that matters …” Riiiiiiight ….

 

[Rancho Cost-a-Lotta]

It is apparent that they don't even like filters...

 

[PoolGate]

She said she runs a chlorine level of 8 with 0 CYA. Wouldn't that be fairly harsh water? It's not a saltwater pool either.

 

[JoyfulNoise]

She said she runs a chlorine level of 8 with 0 CYA. Wouldn't that be fairly harsh water? It's not a saltwater pool either.

Yes

 

[JamesW]

It is banned in New York commercial pools.

(4) Use of cyanuric acid-based chlorine (or any other chlorine stabilizer) is prohibited. Pools found using or containing any cyanuric compound shall be closed, drained and refilled prior to continued use.

Section 6-1.11 - Treatment | New York Codes, Rules and Regulations

regs.health.ny.gov

 

[Jimrahbe]

PG,

A CYA of 8 with zero CYA sounds more like a chemical peal than it does a pool..

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[JamesW]

The debate has been going on for a long time.

Below is an article from 2008.

Posted on: January 01, 2008

The new amendments also suggest lowering the maximum level of cyanuric acid from 100- to 40 ppm.

The new 40 ppm maximum stems from recommendations on fecal incident response by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Germ inactivation times for several waterborne illnesses were included in the CDC rule. Since then, CDC has raised the maximum to 50 ppm, a level that the Florida health department now is considering.

https://www.poolspanews.com/business/legal-regulatory/florida-set-to-issue-new-pool-rules_o

https://www.floridahealth.gov/environmental-health/swimming-pools/_documents/64e-9_fac_draft_rev7_no_strike.pdf

 

[proavia]

It is apparent that they don't even like filters...

 

[Skenn81]

It is apparent that they don't even like filters...

What happens in Florida with filters? Do we not use them?

Second related question to this post, say CYA gets banned, what would the casual homeowner use instead? Theoretical question, I don't see them banning it any time soon for residential since everyone uses it for their pools, but if they did, what would everyone do instead since we keep our pools open year round here?

 

[proavia]

What happens in Florida with filters? Do we not use them?

Jim's reference is about the dinky, tiny, undersized pool filters that pool builders seem to use in Florida. Most members from Florida that post pics here have undersized filters.
We've seen pics of an 18k-25k pool with a 100 square foot cartridge filter more than once from a Florida pool.

If Florida banned CYA for residential pool users, it remains to be seen what pool owners there will do. It's highly doubtful that that would ever happen. I guess you could order off Amazon or another online retailer if so inclined.

 

[Jimrahbe]

81,

This is really a commercial pool issue, it will not apply to residential pools.

Filter wise it is just a running inside joke about Florida's pools using very small filters in general..

Show us a pic of your filter...

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[Newdude]

Show us a pic of your filter...

The other equipment is Pentair so imma go out on a limb here..........

 

[JamesW]

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[JamesW]

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