UV/Ozone - Wish I Would Have Known

[dailygenesis]

I will let you know. I messaged the salesman tonight, and will be talking to him tomorrow. Water goes in the pool Friday, so I have asked them to come take it out before then, and refund the money for that item. I may be doing the same for the inline chlorinator.

Nice. Good luck! I wish I would have known what I know now when I was building the pool. I basically knew nothing and just went along for the ride. I still don't know a lot but know about 1,000 times more than I did. That said, things turned out pretty well, all-in-all. Finding this forum has been a huge help.

 

[BDY]

I thank the pool gods I found this forum half way thru build and now have been TFP since startup… very friendly and hugely informative group

It’s not for everyone - some people just want someone else to do it for them… but if you like doing your own thing you can save serious money and have a better pool doing it this way

The chemical testing and relationships have a bit of a learning curve at the beginning but become like riding a bike…second nature.

Ask any question on these forums… no dumb questions exist is what the mods say constantly

You will be very happy with the TFPro and the speed stir

 

[pjt]

Pentair Easy touch 4

If possible, ask/tell them to upgrade to IntelliCenter with load center and built in SWCG transformer. It doesn't make sense to buy an older system Pentair is phasing out.

Pentair Clean and Clear Plus Filter

What size? Get the largest one possible. The 520 would be a great fit for your pool.

 

[LSU]

Also - highly suggest running VSP at 24/7 low speed given you have Swg. The power savings, and running SWG lower % longer is a marriage made in heaven - and you have the combination VSP, SWG and automation to do it

Multiple threads about running 24/7 and the benefits of a VSP

I run 24/7 at low rpm for about 14$ a month… constant filter, constant chlorine, low cost… happy owner

What percentage are you running your SWG at when running the pump 24/7 at low speed? Curious how the speed affects your percentage.

 

[wireform]

What percentage are you running your SWG at when running the pump 24/7 at low speed? Curious how the speed affects your percentage.

Speed and percentage have nothing to do with each other. The SWCG could care less on what the rpm is and just produces per the percentage set regardless of speed.

 

[LSU]

Speed and percentage have nothing to do with each other. The SWCG could care less on what the rpm is and just produces per the percentage set regardless of speed.

Maybe I asked the question incorrectly. With the pump running at low speed 24/7 I was curious what percentage he had on his SWG, as in how low it allowed him to run it and make chlorine steadily.

 

[LSU]

Speed and percentage have nothing to do with each other. The SWCG could care less on what the rpm is and just produces per the percentage set regardless of speed.

FYI, most people with SWGs and VSP run their VSP 24x7 at low RPM to always produce small amounts of chlorine. I run mine 24x7 at 50%. That keeps my chlorine level at 7 with my CYA level of 70.

This is what I was looking for. @PoolGate posted his here.

 

[wireform]

You can find your own sweet spot by turning it (pump speed) down till the SWCG isn't happy and then go the other direction to see what that point is then, raise it 100 rpm and call it dialed in.

 

[LSU]

You can find your own sweet spot by turning it (pump speed) down till the SWCG isn't happy and then go the other direction to see what that point is then, raise it 100 rpm and call it dialed in.

Excellent. Appreciate that info!

 

[LSU]

I second the upgrade to an IC60 if you can swing it …. Will extend life of your cell vs usage and also give you a lot of headroom to make chlorine as needed. The cost benefits of buying larger cell vs buying replacement cell earlier make sense


Having said that …
IC40 is just fine - this forum recommends 2x your pool size. iC60 is a “nice to have”…

I am going to be talking to them about this today (upgrading to the IC60). Basically I am changing all kinds of things on the pump pad prior to water going in the pool on Friday. They aren't going to be happy, but oh well? lol.

 

[BDY]

I run 30% SWG for 24/7 now in the heart of summer .

My IC40 is on a 10k gallon pool. Each 5% is approximately 0.8 FC. I need to up my CYA in order to lower to 25% but I’m wary of that test so i don’t mind just running the cell at 30%

 

[BDY]

I am going to be talking to them about this today (upgrading to the IC60). Basically I am changing all kinds of things on the pump pad prior to water going in the pool on Friday. They aren't going to be happy, but oh well? lol.

IC60 and IC40 are the same footprint in the plumbing

 

[BDY]

What percentage are you running your SWG at when running the pump 24/7 at low speed? Curious how the speed affects your percentage.

It’s not the speed it’s the 24/7 that affects it
The speed is a function of being able to afford 24/7 and being able to atill have enough flow to trigger the flow switch

Side benefit - at low speed I have to touch the pump to make sure it’s on. At higher rpm you can hear it inside the house. Running slower is much quieter

 

[LSU]

IC60 and IC40 are the same footprint in the plumbing

Sounds like the smart play for now and the future is to upgrade mine to the IC60, based on what I am seeing on here.

 

[BDY]

The only issue with an IC60 is is if you have the Intelliph system, which you don’t. If you have both some members have reported power issues with the two together being too much draw


For example

Intellicenter - IC60 - Intelliph problems

I run an intellicenter with intelliph and an IC60 which have been giving me trouble since pool was started 18 months ago. I am running into 3 issues which may not all be related but I am suspect as Pentair seems to have been having issues with Iph and larger cells. I run my pump 24/7 which...

www.troublefreepool.com

Without an Intelliph the 40 and 60 are a size and cost question

EasyTouch or Intellicenter handle both regarding automation and control, and both controllers have options with integrated power cells for the SWG

 

[Mdragger88]

LSU,
In sunny Texas in the peak of summer the average algae free pool can consume 3-5ppm of fc per day.
Here’s about what that looks like in terms of % & run times if you run 24/7 with each cell in your pool using
PoolMath effects of adding.

You can see how you can reduce the percentage with the larger cell.
All cells have a finite lifespan of around 10k hours if run at 100% / this correlates to 20k hours @ 50% & so on.
Going bigger means you won’t reach that 10k mark as quickly in people years. As mentioned the two cells are the same profile. Making the switch is as simple as getting the ic60 & installing it instead of the ic40. If it is unused it should be returnable.

While you’re in the plaster start up phase (first 30 days) you will be manually chlorinating which why they want the feeder but it is not necessary. You can instead use dry stabilizer(sock method) to reach 30ppm & liquid chlorine for your daily chlorination.
If they don’t remove the feeder be certain that if it is used to remove your cell & replace it with the dummy pipe if it is down stream of the inline feeder.

 

[pjt]

With the pump running at low speed 24/7 I was curious what percentage he had on his SWG

PoolMath will give you an estimate for FC production: "Effects of Adding" --> "Chemical Additions" --> "SWG"

They aren't going to be happy, but oh well? lol.

It's your pool and your money. The ultimate decision is yours and yours alone.

 

[Newdude]

+1. And nows the time. Once it's fired up, it's yours and you can only sell it as used.

 

[LSU]

Just got off the phone with the pool salesman. I made notes from all our conversations last night to have in front of me, and laid out that I wanted the in line chlorinator and the Ozone/UV system taken out and that I wanted to know the cost for both of those for a refund. Then I explained to him I wanted to go from the IC40 to the 60, and explained why. I told him that whatever the cost difference was from the 40 to the 60 could be taken out of what they owe me from the other two being removed. I will probably use some of that money to get the screen logic/app. His immediate response was to tell me why it's important for me to have the Ozone/UV. I just shut that down and told him what I had learned here. So he is now talking to the owner of the company to see what to do. I'm sure I will be getting another call, but I made it very clear what I want done, and that it needs to be done by water day (Friday). I also let him know that I am aware of the general retail pricing of all those items. We will see what happens.

 

[Newdude]

Sometimes the ozone/UV are a manufacturer push and intenticized(?) for the PB to install. Kinda like selling printer at a loss because they get you with ink to make up the difference.

The builder cost may or may not reflect market value. Of course they charged you profit on top of their cost, which also may or may not be reflected in the discount.