trying to determine how to get the right pool pump

FlaPoolGuy

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Oct 5, 2019
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Hi everyone-

So my pump recently quit. It's a single speed, pretty loud Pentair pump, so I'm interested in replacing it due to noise and no longer functioning. I've been reading (and reading and reading), and I'm having trouble figuring out which pump/pumps would fit my needs. Here's what I've come up with so far:

1. the prior pump, which was 1.5HP single speed, may not be properly sized for my pool.
2. Pool builders/pool store tend to oversize the pumps which increases initial cost, monthly power cost, and may damage my system if run at too high of a GPM.
3. I had been looking at "turnover" to start my calculations, but this is "not the TFP way." The pump needs to run just enough to skim the surface and mix in the pool chemicals I add, as well as filter out the (nearly nonexistent) things that fall into the pool.

So now I have no idea how to figure out the size of the pump needed. I've read "Hydraulics 101", but I'm still struggling.

I can get out a tape measure and estimate the "total dynamic head" of the system using "Hydraulics 101" information. But how do I determine the GPM need?

Using the standard methods I found on the internet (the "turnover" method), I have:

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pipe size PVC 1 1/2" internal diameter
pool size 15k gal

2 to 3 turnovers per day seems to be the recommended minimum. Our pool isn't
used very much, so will go with 2 turnovers with plan to increase as needed
when needed then resume 2 turnovers per day.

assume 2 turnovers per day = 12 hr/turnover
15000/12 = 1250 GPH = 20.83 GPM or "'about" 21 GPM

maximum flow rate of 1.5" PVC piping is 42 GPM
maximum plumbing flow rate (3 intakes, 2 of which are active and the vacuum
line is unused due to robot vacuum) = 42+42 = 84 GPM

DE Filter is Hayward DE3620 = 36 sq ft of filter
Maximum filter flow rate = 54-72 GPM (Hayward manual lists 72GPM)

So my GPM range is 21-42 GPM?
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However, when I go to pool parts stores, all these calculations may be completely irrelevant. I can filter down based on other essential criteria, such as voltage (I'm setup for 230v), "residential" as type of pool pump, and "variable speed" which greatly reduces the selection. The lowest HP pumps I can find are 1.5HP anyway.

So am I just wasting time? Just buy any 1.5 HP variable speed pump that matches my 1 1/2" PVC piping and be done with it?

Thank you so much for helping... I continue to be confused.
 
I just bought the Hayward Tristar and love it. The good part is if you get a VS it’s not only a lot more energy efficient it’s super quiet. The 2nd after installing mine I walked out thinking the pump had quit but once I got closer I noticed pressure and a slight sound. Not exaggerating it’s that quiet.
I have a spa and a water fall so run mine a little higher but still only pulling 330 watts.
The 1.5 ( I think ) would have worked but I spend a little more and got the 2.7 HP.
But they are adjustable to can’t really gonwrongy
 
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The lowest HP pumps I can find are 1.5HP anyway.

Except that a higher HP 2.7HP to 3HP VS pump is more efficient running at .5HP VS then a 1.5HP pump will be. So other then a bit higher initial cost you wills ave more with a higher HP pump.

So am I just wasting time? Just buy any 1.5 HP variable speed pump that matches my 1 1/2" PVC piping and be done with it?

So but the high HP model of whichever VS pump line you can find the best deal on - Hayward TriStar VS, Pentair IntelliFlo or Pentair SuperFlo.

Happy shopping!
 
Ok, so the higher the HP, the more efficiently it runs at lower HP? I was not expecting that. This is good to know- thank you.

Also, I notice TFP seems to go for Hayward and Pentair, but not any other pump manufacturers. Are the rest low quality?
 
Ok, so the higher the HP, the more efficiently it runs at lower HP? I was not expecting that. This is good to know- thank you.

It may be counter intuitive but a 3HP pump running at .5 HP is running at 16% of its load.

A 1.5 HP pump running at .5 HP is running at 33% of its load.

The high HP pump running at less load will use less electricity.

Also, I notice TFP seems to go for Hayward and Pentair, but not any other pump manufacturers. Are the rest low quality?

What are you other choices? I don't recommend Jandy pump since Jandy left the Internet and will only provide support through their dealers. Not that Hayward is much better.
 
I see black and decker and "waterway". I've heard of B&D for power tools but not pumps. And I've never heard of Waterway. Also, there's a "Jacuzzi" product that may fit as well.

There are lots of Chinese pumps that brands put their name on and sell. You have to decide if you can get parts, service, or warranty support on them. It is impossible to judge the quality and models change frequently.

You pay your money and take your chances.
 
I checked around, and the SuperFlo VST (pentair 342002), is not in stock at most places. I found "Random Internet Site I Never Heard Of #1" selling for $8xx plus $150 shipping plus tax equals about $1125 or so, I forget the exact numbers. Via internet chat they confirmed they had it in stock. "Random Internet Site I Never Heard Of #2" listed for $999 free shipping. I did not follow this up, and instead I visited Local Pool Store #1 who said they "did not have it / did not know when would be in stock". I called Local Pool Store #2 who said they had it and would sell+install for $1195. They have an approximately 7 day wait time for installation.

Maybe I'm a dummy but I am willing to pay an extra $200 for the security of knowing a local place sold it to me+installed it. I fear getting a shipment of a broken/malfunctioning device and attempting to return it for a refund. With a local place, it may be easier to deal with returns or warranty service? And speaking of which I get the "oh so famous" 2 year warranty instead of 60 days since LPS #2 will install* it.

Thanks for all the help!

* install, for the purposes of replacing a SuperFlo with another SuperFlo, means unscrewing and rescrewing 2 PVC unions, plus unscrewing and rescrewing the 3 power wires. Whew! That's going to take all of... 15 minutes?
 
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The SuperFlo VST (Mdl 342002) is the Trade Grade version and offers a better warranty if purchased from a brick and mortar business or pro installer. It also provides for RS-485 connectivity, important if you plan on adding Pentair automation. If purchased online, it comes with the standard 60-day warranty.

The SuperFlo VS, (Mdl EC-342001) is a good choice if you plan to install the pump yourself. It adds a one-year parts warranty to the standard 60-day warranty when purchased from an authorized E-Commerce online retailer. Shipping is generally free.

 
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Maybe I'm a dummy but I am willing to pay an extra $200 for the security of knowing a local place sold it to me+installed it.
I don't think you're a dummy. The warranty will provide you with $200 worth of piece of mind.
 
I don't think you're a dummy. The warranty will provide you with $200 worth of piece of mind.
Plus if your like me it never is that easy. My new pump was a 1/2” higher but luckily I have a small piece of flex hose and enough distance to make it work.

Or you also do what I do and after 4 trips to Home Depot you have it done😎
 
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@willygee Local Pool Store #1 was my local Pinch a Penny. In hindsight, I probably could have called several other of them. I don't know that they share inventory.

@Rancho Cost-a-Lotta Thank you- I ended up going with the 342002 model specifically because of the possibility of automation in the future. So far I like what I have. In six months, however, I may feel like I went from "bare hands" to "stone tools", and there's still more upgrade to do (proper automation). We shall see. I'm just glad the pool should soon stop looking quite like this:

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The good news is I have been following TFP enough that I was ready for this. I had already purchased a sump pump to use for draining out excess water, so I was able to put that in the pool with a short hose to create a VERY rudimentary "circulate" mode for the last two weeks. I also followed @mknauss typical instructions for when the pool is not pumping or is green- I added (well, really the wife did- gotta give credit!) about 4-8 cups of 10.5% chlorine daily, plus ran the sump pump to circulate the water for several hours each day.

After 14 days without a proper pump, without any filtration, despite the pool looking like the above picture today, here was the chemistry after running the 342002 for 1 hour on "recirculate":

FC 13
CC 0.5
CH 425
TA 90
pH a little pinker than 8.2 (>8.2)
CYA 40

I couldn't believe it. No appreciable combined chloramines. I guess all that floating green stuff is green but dead. I added some acid to see if I can approach 7.5. Next, I'm going recheck the FC and CC in a few hours, and if it is still at 0.5 or less, I'm going to run "filter" mode and get up to SLAM level (16). If I'm able to pass the overnight chlorine loss test tonight I'm going to be super impressed- go team TFP!!!! Thank you to all!
 
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