New Build - Louisiana

mwoodard

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Jun 12, 2019
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Louisiana
Starting a new build in mid-September in North Louisiana. Contract signed with an extremely reputable gunite pool builder in the area. I checked out several references beforehand. Initially was in the market for a vinyl pool, but the ability to customize as well as the turn-key nature of the gunite PB led us to choose gunite.

Multiple iterations of design options with PB has landed us on a 17 x 40 with an attached 6 x 14 tanning ledge. 6.5' deep end. No slide, diving board, or jumping platform. We will have two brick walls on the back side of the pool that will have 18" sheer descents which will provide the water feature that my wife and I are looking forward to!

We have three kids (7 to 11) who will be enjoying this pool with us.

I'd like to post some pics of the design and get any tips, insight, multiple sets of eyes, etc. I posted three pics which should give an overall idea of the build.

I do have a few specific questions on things we are torn on spending money for:
1) Do we incorporate a spa into the design? If we do, we would move the tanning ledge back to the area where the steps are. The reasons we WOULD get one is the overall look of the spa. I don't know if we'd end up using it or not. And at a rough upgrade cost of $15K to $20K, not sure if it's worth it. We would be able to relax on the tanning ledge. Having the large tanning ledge leads us AWAY from having the spa. But I wonder if the kids would enjoy the pool.

2) Do we include the Paramount PCC-2000 in-floor cleaning system? Our designer (who works for PB) has said that's the first place he would cut if we were looking to save some money or spend it in other places. He believes in the system since they send the design off and Paramount sends back with specs on where to put heads, drain, etc. And since we will have a separate tanning ledge and steps, I worry about what the Polaris/Dolphin will be able to get to. My wife (excuse me, my BOSS) says the main reason she would consider the IFC system is if it meant she did not have to spend time vacuuming or cleaning the spots the Polaris didn't reach. Our main concern - do we spend the $12K and enjoy not having to clean the pool as much or is this just really a sales gimmick?

3) Should we go ahead and put a heater in? We live in North LA - it's pretty warm beginning in early April and stays hot all the way through first part of October, but there are occasional times when a cool night may occur on the shoulders. Also, it can sometimes be in the upper 50s, low 60s even in January - and we have a couple birthdays in the winter-- thus that might be a pool party time. I'm thinking go ahead and bite the bullet and put in the heater.

Thanks in advance for any help. I'm looking at you @kimkats. I've seen how you've helped so many builds in the past!!!

Matt
 

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Hi, welcome to TFP!
I would pass on the infloor cleaning system. They are expensive and they do not 100% keep the pool clean. I like the straight forward design of your pool and a good robot should have no trouble navigating it. I like the tanning ledge off to the side. It looks like a nice spot to supervise kids and still gives them plenty of swimming room. The kids will naturally want to jump off the brick walls, and 6.5' is a little shallow for that. If you don't want to go any deeper you may want to consider lowering the height of the walls or pushing them back a few feet so they splash into a shallow pool (but that may be more re-design than you want to do).
 
Matt,

I am not a fan of gunite spas... But if you think you won't use it, it makes zero sense to buy one.. Spas are the most oversold and underused items in a pool build.. I can't think of any reason to spend $20K on something that won't get used.. Plus... having a spa doubles the complexity of the plumbing.. making repairs harder in the future.

I am also not a fan of IFCS.. Robots do every bit as good a job for less money. And if the robot goes bad you just buy a new one..

Spas and IFCS are just money makers for pool builders...

I like your lay out.. As far as sweeping the tanning deck, we are talking about 2 minutes worth of very little effort.

What you don't talk about is how you plan to sanitize your pool??? I suspect your pool builder is pushing you into Ozone and UV magic... The problem is you will never see the rabbit.

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
You rang???? LOL

Lets get this party started!!!

Okay so I am looking at the shelf and walls on either side of the shelf. Seems to me the walls will block your view of the pool on either end. I would lose those walls. We all KNOW the kids (small and big :roll:) will try to jump off them! If you want a water feature I would put it on the wall behind the shelf but then you would not be able to hear each other if sitting on the shelf.

Spa in pool-nope-if you want one get a stand alone. LOTS more comfy!!! Easier to get and keep hot/

IFC-nope- just not worth it. They work best for places like TX and AZ with lots of wind and dust/dirt. More moving parts=more things to break. Get a good robot and put a wide angle return on the shelf to push any dirt off shelf.

Heater-I don't know your wallet size- I WOULD plumb and make space on the pad for just in case you do end up getting one. I think if you get the stand alone spa you would be better off as it could be used year round. Add in a fire pit somewhere close to the spa and have great burrr time fun!!

Since you have seen my posts you KNOW what I am going to ask for now..............a pic of the yard you are putting this beauty in!!

Now go look up Watermelon Ball for the kids! It is one of the funnest water games out there!!!

Kim:kim:
 
The brick is an interesting look. I'm not sure I've seen that before. Does brick hold up okay in a pool?

Speaking of the wall and having kids similar ages... they are going to want to jump off of the wall. Is it easy for them to climb on? If its too tall for them to make it up in a single step, you could do a stair stepped look on the sides for easier access.
 
Do y’all think there is enough deck space around the pool? I’ve got 8’ on the house side, 9’ on the shallow end side, and 13’ on the deep end side.

I get your point on the brick walls impeding view of either end, but they should only be 2’ high and i kind of like that the area is a little set off from everything else. And yes - we figured the kids would jump off it - we’ve asked a couple others and they seem to think that 6.5’ is sufficient depth to account for that. Y’all disagree?

Standard chlorination for sanitization. The UV and Ozone is really just an added benefit and only costs $1,500 total. My thought is, well - let’s try it and if it reduces chlorine use and leads to less chemicals being introduced into the water, the better.

Feel free to make comments or suggestions!
 
I think 6.5' is deep enough for jumping off the wall, ours is only going to be 6' and we have a similar water feature wall/kid launching spot. I still worry about the kids getting on top of the 2' wall without a smaller step in between, but I'm sure they will figure it out.

Nice backyard. One of my requirements was to be able to see the tv from the spa and shallow end. Looks like you will be able to do the same.
 
Regarding IFCS, i would love to save the $12,600 it will cost to upgrade to this system over the pressure-side Polaris Quattro Sport.

My question - and this comes as a newbie/rookie...my wife wants to know how much vacuuming/raking she will have to do with our design (steps, tanning ledge) if we have the Polaris Quattro Sport. PB already said he would be putting a good return on the tanning ledge to push any dirt off the ledge and into the pool so the Polaris can pick it up.

I'm keen to put the Polaris pressure-side in and save money. What I DON"T WANT is for us to be 6 months down the road, my wife looking askance at me every day with that knowing glare, "I told you we should have put in the IFCS."

You can see from our pic that we won't have a ton of debris, but we do have some crepe myrtles that are close that will no doubt drop stuff in the pool.

Just need some help and that extra "push" to say NO to IFCS!!!!!! Help!
 

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Get a robot. Better than both.

You will have to sweep the steps and ledge no matter what system you get for cleaning.
 
Also -- you will get a SWCG installed once you have an algae outbreak from using so many tablets and your CYA skyrocketing. The UV/ozone do nothing for an outdoor pool.
 
Hi mwoodard
Just my two cents.
If I were in your shoes, this would be my course of action.
NO IFCS,
No pressure-side cleaner.
No Polaris Quattro Sport

I would take the savings and invest in the following:
1. Maytronics Robot!! Do the research here on TFP and I think that you might agree. You can leave the robot in the pool 24/7 if you prefer and take it out anytime you wish.
2. Automation. All of the pool equipment should be the same brand as the automation so they talk the same language. My preference from experience is Pentiar but do the research here and draw your own conclusions.
3. A Salt Water Chlorine Generator.
4. With all of those water features shown, possibly a muriatic acid dosing device to help combat the rising pH that will occur depending on how much you use the water features and/or the spa spillover.

If you choose the above, you will certainly have money left over so that you guys can have one hellava an outstanding "pool opening" party. :p
All the best.
r.
 
Also -- you will get a SWCG installed once you have an algae outbreak from using so many tablets and your CYA skyrocketing. The UV/ozone do nothing for an outdoor pool.

@mknauss - I've wondered about that for sure. I hear lots of negatives about the degrading effects that the salt content has on pool equipment, the surfaces around the pool, etc. Is there a good thread where i can go read more about this? As you can see from my design pics, I'll have brick coping (actual brick), brick feature walls, and a brick border around my concrete to tie it into my overall design.

I will also have stainless outdoor kitchen appliances located about 15' away from the pool as well.
 
Hi mwoodard
Just my two cents.
If I were in your shoes, this would be my course of action.
NO IFCS,
No pressure-side cleaner.
No Polaris Quattro Sport

I would take the savings and invest in the following:
1. Maytronics Robot!! Do the research here on TFP and I think that you might agree. You can leave the robot in the pool 24/7 if you prefer and take it out anytime you wish.
2. Automation. All of the pool equipment should be the same brand as the automation so they talk the same language. My preference from experience is Pentiar but do the research here and draw your own conclusions.
3. A Salt Water Chlorine Generator.
4. With all of those water features shown, possibly a muriatic acid dosing device to help combat the rising pH that will occur depending on how much you use the water features and/or the spa spillover.

If you choose the above, you will certainly have money left over so that you guys can have one hellava an outstanding "pool opening" party. :p
All the best.
r.
Haha - like the way you think @MyAZPool! PB sells Jandy products and we will use their automation controls which i am told will interface well with the pump, booster pump (water feature), filter, lights, and the Jandy heater as well.
 
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Is there a good thread where i can go read more about this?
Look at the Salt Water Chlorine Generators (SWG) forum. We have no documented cases of the salt level in a SWCG pool causing damage. The one thing that does damage pool surfaces and equipment is out of control pH. If you manage your pool water chemistry to TFP levels, there is no issue.
 
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Haha - like the way you think @MyAZPool! PB sells Jandy products and we will use their automation controls which i am told will interface well with the pump, booster pump (water feature), filter, lights, and the Jandy heater as well.
mwoodard
Okay. Yea, just as long as they are all of the same brand. I would try to talk you into Pentair but I won't because I am highly biased. :p
Take care, good luck with your new project and wish you all the best.
Happy future swimming. :paddle:
r.
 
Look at the Salt Water Chlorine Generators (SWG) forum. We have no documented cases of the salt level in a SWCG pool causing damage. The one thing that does damage pool surfaces and equipment is out of control pH. If you manage your pool water chemistry to TFP levels, there is no issue.
I plan on using the TFP test kit and following the recommendations of this site religiously for water chemistry. So what you're telling me (in a nutshell) is that any damage comes from not staying on top of chemistry and NOT anything to do with the fact there is a SWCG in place. Am I reading that correctly? I know that either way, chlorine will be the primary sanitizing agent - it's just the delivery method that I'm deciding on!
 
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