Tips for having pool installer close my pool

BlueWRXPride

Well-known member
Jun 18, 2020
99
Syracuse, NY
This was my first full season with my pool, and (sadly) I'm starting to plan for the closing of the pool this season. I've been incredibly happy with this site to help me with summer maintenance, as it's been a breeze this summer! I want to have the pool company close my pool since I don't trust myself to get the water fully out of the lines and I'm not going to risk damaging the plumbing over the summer. To keep with the TFP mentality, should I prep the water myself, and ensure that the pool company doesn't put any additional chemicals in the pool? Or just let them do their usual closing treatment? I was reading in Pool School and saw the note about bringing FC up to shock level and then drift down, and putting in some antifreeze. Just wanted to see what the general recommendation was for this. Thanks!

(I anticipate that some will try to convince me to do the full closing myself, and while I appreciate that advice, at this point it's worth my time and peace of mind to let them handle this part of the job)
 

Newdude

Gold Supporter
TFP Guide
Jun 16, 2019
11,184
NY
I anticipate that some will try to convince me to do the full closing myself, and while I appreciate that advice, at this point it's worth my time and peace of mind to let them handle this part of the job)
Hire them and it’s a small price to pay to save the next 10+ years. Don’t look at it that you spent $300. Look at it that you saved $2700 on years 2-10. Tip whoever comes $20 each and shadow them. Take notes and lots of pics to remember how they worked your setup and the order it was all done. The pre-tipping will help them want to teach you what needs to be done.
 

Mdragger88

Bronze Supporter
Jun 1, 2018
3,140
Hernando, Ms
Pool Size
26000
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Intex Krystal Clear
I agree to let them do it & take notes (especially w/ the mechanical parts) if you are uncomfortable.
You still want to wait until the water temp lowers to 60-65 degree range consistently to prevent a swamp in the spring. Opening with the water temp in this range is also recommended.
This can be hard to arrange when you need to schedule your closings/openings in advance so you are on the list. Remember, closing is not set it & forget it. You need to peek under the cover occasionally & grab a sample to be sure u have fc & add liquid chlorine as necessary.
Especially if u close when the weather is still warm as the fc won’t last.
Here’s the article on closing 👇
You can still use / have them follow many of the tips even if u don’t do the work.
 

BlueWRXPride

Well-known member
Jun 18, 2020
99
Syracuse, NY
Thanks. Definitely agree on waiting until 60ish degrees. Probably mid-october for me. I guess the root of my question is, will the pool company put in some cocktail of chemicals as part of their standard closing that I would be better off asking them to not add and handle any chemical additions myself?
 

Newdude

Gold Supporter
TFP Guide
Jun 16, 2019
11,184
NY
I guess the root of my question is, will the pool company put in some cocktail of chemicals as part of their standard closing that I would be better off asking them to not add and handle any chemical additions myself?
Yes most companies have their own ‘blend’ of what works for them. If they aren’t adding anything necessarily harmful, you can let them, or probably buy the same stuff cheaper yourself.

Ask what they add as part of the package and go from there. See if they’ll credit you, etc.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Mdragger88

BlueWRXPride

Well-known member
Jun 18, 2020
99
Syracuse, NY
Here's what my installer told me:
We decided to change our recipe this year. Shock aka liquid or powdered chlorine has a short half-life. So, instead of overdoing with shock, we plan to 2-3 lbs of cal hypo powdered shock along with a strong copper based algicide and lastly an enzyme. This will be our first year adding enzymes at closing and from all my research I think it will be a huge help.
 

BlueWRXPride

Well-known member
Jun 18, 2020
99
Syracuse, NY
how about the cal hypo powdered shock and the enzyme? Maybe it'd be easiest to ask them to do nothing but some antifreeze as they would normally do, and then I would handle bringing up the FC myself as indicated in the pool school?
 

mknauss

Mod Squad
TFP Expert
Bronze Supporter
May 3, 2014
44,347
Laughlin, NV
Pool Size
6000
Surface
Fiberglass
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
Cal Hypo is chlorine and calcium. No big deal there. Enzyme? It might clean up something. Hard to say, it cannot be tested for.

The best is you do the chemistry, they do the mechanics.
 

Enjoying this content?

Support TFP with a donation.

Give Support

ajw22

Gold Supporter
TFP Guide
Jul 21, 2013
29,067
Northern NJ
Pool Size
35000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
The best chemical cocktail for pool closing is a combination of Polyquat 60 algaecide and chlorine. Beyond that you get into chemicals that are not good for your pool like copper or unproven magic potions like enzymes.

 
  • Like
Reactions: gingrbredman

gingrbredman

Gold Supporter
Jun 10, 2020
390
Chicagoland
Pool Size
11200
Surface
Fiberglass
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
(I anticipate that some will try to convince me to do the full closing myself, and while I appreciate that advice, at this point it's worth my time and peace of mind to let them handle this part of the job)
Really like the conviction there! I am with you, I maintain every aspect of my pool.... water, chemistry, maintenance, etc. during the year, but really want a pro to close it up right for me. The small cost in my opinion is insurance everything opens up with no issues next spring, and I can not be 100% sure I would do that. Not that I couldn't if I really wanted to, just do not want that job.

most companies have their own ‘blend’ of what works for them
No doubt, they probably use what they feel has worked for them, and I'm guessing almost all of them do not follow the TFP methods, so I would check to be sure what it is they plan to add. They may not have any issues, and their customers do not have issues, but we all know, adding things we shouldn't to the pool could cause unintended consequences down the road and make the spring chemical balancing more difficult.

The best is you do the chemistry, they do the mechanics.
That would seem like the best of both worlds. We know how to maintain the chemistry, the articles quoted above, as well as the advice posted above will insure you have the chemistry right, and the closer has the mechanics right. Then you know in the spring how to get back to the TFP method, and everything works because the chemistry and mechanics were both done correctly.
 

BlueWRXPride

Well-known member
Jun 18, 2020
99
Syracuse, NY
I think i'll ask them to leave the chemicals to me, and I'll add chlorine and Polyquat 60, but I'll still ask them to add the antifreeze. Antifreeze is an accepted thing to add for winter, right?
 

mknauss

Mod Squad
TFP Expert
Bronze Supporter
May 3, 2014
44,347
Laughlin, NV
Pool Size
6000
Surface
Fiberglass
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
FYI -- the forum has a very good wiki and historical threads on closing a pool. We also plan to have an Expert Discussion on the subject later this month. Even if you plan to hire someone to do the process, knowing how the process should be carried out is knowledge that can be very useful.

 
  • Like
Reactions: Mdragger88

V___25

Gold Supporter
May 30, 2020
237
Central PA
Pool Size
24000
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
I think i'll ask them to leave the chemicals to me, and I'll add chlorine and Polyquat 60, but I'll still ask them to add the antifreeze. Antifreeze is an accepted thing to add for winter, right?
This is exactly what I did last season and they were OK with that. They didn't drain our water below the returns which I thought was weird so this year, I'll make sure we have that done but I'm also trying to lower an elevated CYA.
 

BlueWRXPride

Well-known member
Jun 18, 2020
99
Syracuse, NY
Yeah, when they closed my pool last fall, after being recently installed, they didn't drain the pool either. They instead put a gizmo in the skimmer to plug it up. Is that something that pool companies usually don't do just because it takes more time? Is it critical to do so?
 

Bperry

Gold Supporter
Aug 20, 2020
1,001
Knoxville, TN
Pool Size
27000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
CircuPool RJ-60
Yeah, when they closed my pool last fall, after being recently installed, they didn't drain the pool either. They instead put a gizmo in the skimmer to plug it up. Is that something that pool companies usually don't do just because it takes more time? Is it critical to do so?
They should blow out the lines and plug them with the gizmo. Mine would also put a little antifreeze in the lines, though I’m not sure it gets cold enough to need that here.

Don’t just put antifreeze in the pool water itself!
 

V___25

Gold Supporter
May 30, 2020
237
Central PA
Pool Size
24000
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Ours did not drain below the returns. They did blow out the lines, add antifreeze, and plug with the gizmo.
 

Enjoying this content?

Support TFP with a donation.

Give Support
Thread Status
Hello , This is an inactive thread. Any new postings here are unlikely to be seen or responded to by other members. You will get much more visibility by Starting A New Thread