Spa Water Cloudy at times then Clears itself within one hour

[HermanTX]

Probably best to recap.
Your main issue was/is cloudy water on occasion. That can be a filter issue or a chemical issue or combination.

Then there was a comment that spa constantly cascades into the pool. That drives up pH. So more attention to that detail.
The Jandy automation system allows a Spillover Mode which can be scheduled. This avoids having the spa constantly flow to the pool.
If you or OK with constant flow from spa to pool then nothing needs to be changed.

If you want to Schedule Spillover mode then that requires changing some things in automation and wiring.
I want to ensure we are all using the same technology and info. I refer to your post # 10 which showed some photos, in which one was the panel of the Jandy automation. I reposted that same photo in post #14
The labels on the panel show AUX1 is cleaner (which is the booster pump), Aux 2 is pool light, Aux 3 is Spa Pump and Aux 4 is Blower.
This is what I am basing my feedback on. Based on the photo in post #19, the labels are not correct .
If you want to automate Spillover there are 2 items that need to be changed
First is the dipswitch #3 has to be ON. Then nothing can be plugged into the HP Relay socket. You would need to move it to AUX 6 if that is vacant and no digital commands are being sent to it.
Terminology can be part of the confusing. There is a Cleaner that requires a “booster pump: which always needs to be AUX 1 (that appears correct in your photos). You have added a Spa Booster Pump to Aux 3 which is fine, just always call it Spa Booster Pump so it is not interpreted as the Cleaner booster pump.

Let us know what to do but on the cloudy issue, suggest you post a full set of test results.

 

[RESISTENCIA13]

Probably best to recap.
Your main issue was/is cloudy water on occasion. That can be a filter issue or a chemical issue or combination.

Then there was a comment that spa constantly cascades into the pool. That drives up pH. So more attention to that detail.
The Jandy automation system allows a Spillover Mode which can be scheduled. This avoids having the spa constantly flow to the pool.
If you or OK with constant flow from spa to pool then nothing needs to be changed.

If you want to Schedule Spillover mode then that requires changing some things in automation and wiring.
I want to ensure we are all using the same technology and info. I refer to your post # 10 which showed some photos, in which one was the panel of the Jandy automation. I reposted that same photo in post #14
The labels on the panel show AUX1 is cleaner (which is the booster pump), Aux 2 is pool light, Aux 3 is Spa Pump and Aux 4 is Blower.
This is what I am basing my feedback on. Based on the photo in post #19, the labels are not correct .
If you want to automate Spillover there are 2 items that need to be changed
First is the dipswitch #3 has to be ON. Then nothing can be plugged into the HP Relay socket. You would need to move it to AUX 6 if that is vacant and no digital commands are being sent to it.
Terminology can be part of the confusing. There is a Cleaner that requires a “booster pump: which always needs to be AUX 1 (that appears correct in your photos). You have added a Spa Booster Pump to Aux 3 which is fine, just always call it Spa Booster Pump so it is not interpreted as the Cleaner booster pump.

Let us know what to do but on the cloudy issue, suggest you post a full set of test results.

Got it! Thanks for the explanation. Question. What is the HP? and where is the HP Relay socket? If it's not too much work, I think it make sense to schedule the spill over instead of working all the time. I will just need very specific instructions as I am not too handy. Also need to know where is dip switch #3 and how to turn it on. Also keep in mind that I also have a PDA to control de pool. The water test results are as follows:

FC 4 PPM
CC 0 PPM
TA 80 PPM
PH 7.5 PPM
CHA 375
CYA 75PPM

but I don't chemistry is the issue as this happens from time to time (that I notice) and literally clears out within minutes and only occurs in the spa. Looking back at my post, it seems was not very clear. So water is nice and clear 99.99% of the times, but a few times I have notice that it gets cloudy for a few minutes and then get back to be cristal clear within minutes literally. One day I saw cloudy and when to pool control to see if something was going on there and when I walk back to spa is it was crystal clear again.

 

[HermanTX]

FC 4 PPM
CC 0 PPM
TA 80 PPM
PH 7.5 PPM
CHA 375
CYA 75PPM

We always round up on CYA to next decade. So with a CYA of 80ppm the FC level is on very low end of the “minimum” for 80CYA. That could lead to having algae or some of this cloudiness. Suggest that FC be immediately raised using liquid chlorine to mid part of the target range. See CYA Chlorine Relationship - Further Reading

 

[RESISTENCIA13]

We always round up on CYA to next decade. So with a CYA of 80ppm the FC level is on very low end of the “minimum” for 80CYA. That could lead to having algae or some of this cloudiness. Suggest that FC be immediately raised using liquid chlorine to mid part of the target range. See CYA Chlorine Relationship - Further Reading

Got! What about the questions on my prior post about the cloudyness and the spillover. I doubt it has nothing to do with my FC level it's only the spa, it's temporary and I have been keeping this same levels since pool was built in 2019.

 

[HermanTX]

Got! What about the questions on my prior post about the cloudyness and the spillover. I doubt it has nothing to do with my FC level it's only the spa, it's temporary and I have been keeping this same levels since pool was built in 2019.

Refer to post #9 and #14. The dipswitch #3 needs to be moved to turn on Spillover. You have to turn off all power to the automation, switch the dipswitch #3. You will also have to unplug the socket for AUX3 and move it to AUX6.

The HP Relays are the black items that take incoming power and either opens or closes the relay to activate what is wired to it.

Then turn everything back on, let it reboot and the Spillover should be able to be scheduled. Now we also have to reprogram the Spa Pump because it is now called AUX 6.

If you want to take 1 step at a time, I would turn off the system, only move the plug from AUX3 to AUX6. Then turn the system back on to reboot. Then put in Service mode and press AUX6 button. If the spa pump turns on, then all is active and then can do the dipswitch change next.

 

[RESISTENCIA13]

Refer to post #9 and #14. The dipswitch #3 needs to be moved to turn on Spillover. You have to turn off all power to the automation, switch the dipswitch #3. You will also have to unplug the socket for AUX3 and move it to AUX6.

The HP Relays are the black items that take incoming power and either opens or closes the relay to activate what is wired to it.

Then turn everything back on, let it reboot and the Spillover should be able to be scheduled. Now we also have to reprogram the Spa Pump because it is now called AUX 6.

If you want to take 1 step at a time, I would turn off the system, only move the plug from AUX3 to AUX6. Then turn the system back on to reboot. Then put in Service mode and press AUX6 button. If the spa pump turns on, then all is active and then can do the dipswitch change next.

Why can i just leave spa pump on Aux 3 and add spillover on 6?

 

[HermanTX]

Why can i just leave spa pump on Aux 3 and add spillover on 6?

It is preprogrammed by Jandy. That dipswitch controls Spillover Mode where only the return valve is rotated to open flow to the spa. It is just like the preprogrammed modes for Pool and Spa and that rotate the Suction and Return valves simultaneously.

If you do not want to have spillover mode then just leave it as it is set up.
You can manually do spillover if you wish. That will a little more effort but it is feasible.

 

[RESISTENCIA13]

Looks like aux 3 is the booster pump.

No idea why you are suddenly seeing that in the spa. My first thought was it's hydrogen bubbles from the SWG being returned to the spa. Have you noticed this with the SWG off?

Hi! Just saw this post now. I have not tested. Will try in tomorrow.

 

[RESISTENCIA13]

The automated valve on the return side is presently set to not fully close the spa rerurn when in pool mode.
That is why the spa continuously spills over into the pool when automation is in pool mode.
See pic below showing automated valve at top of pic
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You need to determine what relay 3 is wired to.
Still waiting to see a better pic of that.
@HermanTX can help walk you thru that and also getting your automation and return valve set up
to have spillway mode if you're intereste

Refer to post #9 and #14. The dipswitch #3 needs to be moved to turn on Spillover. You have to turn off all power to the automation, switch the dipswitch #3. You will also have to unplug the socket for AUX3 and move it to AUX6.

The HP Relays are the black items that take incoming power and either opens or closes the relay to activate what is wired to it.

Then turn everything back on, let it reboot and the Spillover should be able to be scheduled. Now we also have to reprogram the Spa Pump because it is now called AUX 6.

If you want to take 1 step at a time, I would turn off the system, only move the plug from AUX3 to AUX6. Then turn the system back on to reboot. Then put in Service mode and press AUX6 button. If the spa pump turns on, then all is active and then can do the dipswitch change next.

Good morning! @HermanTX There was a few back and forth and aux 5 and aux 6 mention a few times so just to clarify. Here is what I need. Please advise if I need to do anything else, I moved the socket that was on aux 3 to Aux 6. Now the Spa Booster Pump Booster is on Aux 6. I tested it and it works. I changed the names to Aux 3 to be Spillway and Aux 6 to be Spa Booster Pump and assigned schedules accordingly. What else do I need to do? On post #9 you mentioned something about a HP relay. Do I need to do something else? FYI: I notice that when I turn off the Spillway (aux 3) now the pool pump turn off. Please advise.

 

[RESISTENCIA13]

Hi! Just saw this post now. I have not tested. Will try in tomorrow.

Good morning! I ran the filter pump with the SWG at 0% and still have bubble coming out of return. See attached picture.

 

[mknauss]

Your spa returns will also pull air when the flow rate through the spa jets are high enough. Listen for air being gulped in via a standpipe at the equipment pad or nearby. Do you have a blower for the spa?

 

[RESISTENCIA13]

Your spa returns will also pull air when the flow rate through the spa jets are high enough. Listen for air being gulped in via a standpipe at the equipment pad or nearby. Do you have a blower for the spa?

Hi! I do have a blower for the spa, but the bubbles are not coming only from the spa return, but from the return closest to the pump as well. See attached picture. I circled the best I could the locations of the returns. The on in the pool is about 1 foot below water and the one in spa is around 3 feet below water.

 

[mknauss]

If not from the SWCG, then you have a suction side air leak. Check the pump basket lid gasket, pump drain plug orings, valves on the suction side, etc.

 

[mknauss]

If you turn the pump off, does the system drain?

 

[RESISTENCIA13]

If not from the SWCG, then you have a suction side air leak. Check the pump basket lid gasket, pump drain plug orings, valves on the suction side, etc.

Ok. will check that out.

 

[HermanTX]

Good morning! @HermanTX There was a few back and forth and aux 5 and aux 6 mention a few times so just to clarify. Here is what I need. Please advise if I need to do anything else, I moved the socket that was on aux 3 to Aux 6. Now the Spa Booster Pump Booster is on Aux 6. I tested it and it works. I changed the names to Aux 3 to be Spillway and Aux 6 to be Spa Booster Pump and assigned schedules accordingly. What else do I need to do? On post #9 you mentioned something about a HP relay. Do I need to do something else? FYI: I notice that when I turn off the Spillway (aux 3) now the pool pump turn off. Please advise.

Great work on moving plug from AUX3 to AUX6. So the spa booster pump is working fine with its schedule.
No need to do anything else with the Relays.
It is unclear if you moved the dipswitch #3 to Spillover. Did you test the Spillover mode? Only the valve on the return side should rotate when activated.
I would need to see your full pump schedule to understand why pump may be turning off after Spillover mode.

 

[RESISTENCIA13]

Great work on moving plug from AUX3 to AUX6. So the spa booster pump is working fine with its schedule.
No need to do anything else with the Relays.
It is unclear if you moved the dipswitch #3 to Spillover. Did you test the Spillover mode? Only the valve on the return side should rotate when activated.
I would need to see your full pump schedule to understand why pump may be turning off after Spillover mode.

Good morning! I do not know how to turn on Spillover mode. All I did was moving the socket on aux3 to aux 6 as per instructions on marked up on post #9. Please advise how to turn on spillover mode. Here is my pool and equipment schedule (if this is not what you want to see please advise how I can get to what you need to see). Note that currently I have Spillway running same time as Filter Pump. As when I turn off Spillway also turn off the pump.

 

[HermanTX]

I do not know how to turn on Spillover mode.

The dipswitch #3 needs to be moved to turn on Spillover. You have to turn off all power to the automation, switch the dipswitch #3. Refer to the picture below marked in RED. The dipswitches are on the left side of the PCB. They move horizontally from L to R. Then turn on power to the automation and let it reboot.

Before doing the above, I would remove the schedule you have for Spillway for now. When you move the dipswitch it should create a Label called SPILLWAY.

Also, make a screenshot of your SPEED setttings for the Pump before you turn off the automation. You should be able to set a speed for SPILLWAY after it is activated but not sure which speed label it will change.

 

[RESISTENCIA13]

The dipswitch #3 needs to be moved to turn on Spillover. You have to turn off all power to the automation, switch the dipswitch #3. Refer to the picture below marked in RED. The dipswitches are on the left side of the PCB. They move horizontally from L to R. Then turn on power to the automation and let it reboot.

Before doing the above, I would remove the schedule you have for Spillway for now. When you move the dipswitch it should create a Label called SPILLWAY.

Also, make a screenshot of your SPEED setttings for the Pump before you turn off the automation. You should be able to set a speed for SPILLWAY after it is activated but not sure which speed label it will change.
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Good morning!

So I followed your steps. Good news is that now when I turn off spillway the pump keep running. However, it the spillway still working even when off. However, when one there is more water and it over flood my spa. So it seems we are on the right path, but need adjustments. I would like to adjusted so when off no water comes out and on the on position the same amount of water currently on the off position is coming out. See attached. Pictures showing the valve positions when on and off. Please advice.

 

[HermanTX]

Your return actuator is cammed to stop at that point when in pool mode. That is what it is still flowing when in Pool Mode. The 3-way valve normally rotates 180 degrees unless it is cammed to stop.
Before that is changed., tell me what happens when the spa booster pump is activated. Does the return actuator rotate to completely close off flow to the pool - similar to what your photo shows when in Spill Over mode?
Also, do you have the instructions for the actuator? f not it can be downloaded from Jandy website.