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Liz you don't have to pull it apart! You add the de to the sand! I am on my phone so can't do links. Do a search for adding de to a sand filter. Make sure you can be there to babysit it for a little while to make sure it does not shoot the pressure too high.

Oh ok! That sounds better lol. Will definitely look into it. At the moment it’s meant to be glass medium but I saw some from the last backwash and it’s sand with glass in it. Let me get this backwash done first. Going to top up pool first. Just got the temp up to 32* last night too. That will drop but boys won’t mind. Not bad I don’t think from 18-32* in 48 hours in cold miserable weather.
 
Backwash and rinse done. Easy! This was my viewing window.
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Here's the link Kim mentioned: Pool School - Add DE to a Sand Filter
I bought mine from directpoolsupplies.com.au. I had to buy a 10 lb box that should last me a lifetime, 1 cup at a time!

Cloudiness might be just from the construction, in which case I'd run the pump on low speed, or at most medium speed, 24/7. The sand will gradually catch the finer stuff and get better and better at filtering as it gets a bit dirty. Adding DE is sort of like making it a bit dirty instantly, plus it is even better because DE is jagged (if you look at it under a microscope) and catches lots of fine stuff. I would not backwash until the dirty pressure exceeds 125% of the clean pressure.

The fabric filter bag in your robot is also great at catching fine dust. I'd take it out and rinse it off, then throw it in the washer to fully rinse it out (just soap and cold water, no dryer or hanging it). When it goes back in, your robot will push more water through the filter bag, catching more dust.

I personally believe you have an algae bloom that is being kept down to a dull roar by the chlorine, and the cloudiness is dead algae 'carcasses' which appear as white or very pale brown dust because the algae cell walls are bleached white. My evidence is firstly the difficulties getting an adequate FC level early on, and then the failed OCLT. It also seems to be taking a bit long for your filter and robot to clear the water. I'm a bit concerned without another OCLT and your now warmer water. The algae growth rate rises with rising water temperature, so if it's there, it's going to grow faster.The presence of algae can be ruled in or out with an OCLT test.

I agree that doing a SLAM on new plaster can cause trouble. The main risk is that the initial charge of chlorine pushes the pH too high which increases the risk of metals coming out of solution and staining the plaster. You have two levels of defense against this. One is starting at a pH of 7.2, and the second is the metal sequestrant the PB added, which attaches to metal atoms, keeping them from combining with other things that can allow stains to form. There is no risk from the chlorinating liquid itself, because the chlorine is mostly held in an inactive form by the CYA.

That said, there's no panic. As long as you can see the bottom, you have 5 or more ppm FC, and ph is anywhere from 7.2 to 7.8, swimming is entirely safe.

The person who reckons pH is great around 8.5 probably has their pH around 7.8 or 8.0 and is using an uncalibrated pH pen or maybe test strips. If their pH was that high, they'd probably be getting scale somewhere. They'd also be consuming more daily chlorine, although the effect isn't big in winter. Eye or skin discomfort varies by individual, and might be a concern, but my bet is their pH is actually lower than 8.5.
 
Here's the link Kim mentioned: Pool School - Add DE to a Sand Filter
I bought mine from directpoolsupplies.com.au. I had to buy a 10 lb box that should last me a lifetime, 1 cup at a time!

Cloudiness might be just from the construction, in which case I'd run the pump on low speed, or at most medium speed, 24/7. The sand will gradually catch the finer stuff and get better and better at filtering as it gets a bit dirty. Adding DE is sort of like making it a bit dirty instantly, plus it is even better because DE is jagged (if you look at it under a microscope) and catches lots of fine stuff. I would not backwash until the dirty pressure exceeds 125% of the clean pressure.

The fabric filter bag in your robot is also great at catching fine dust. I'd take it out and rinse it off, then throw it in the washer to fully rinse it out (just soap and cold water, no dryer or hanging it). When it goes back in, your robot will push more water through the filter bag, catching more dust.

I personally believe you have an algae bloom that is being kept down to a dull roar by the chlorine, and the cloudiness is dead algae 'carcasses' which appear as white or very pale brown dust because the algae cell walls are bleached white. My evidence is firstly the difficulties getting an adequate FC level early on, and then the failed OCLT. It also seems to be taking a bit long for your filter and robot to clear the water. I'm a bit concerned without another OCLT and your now warmer water. The algae growth rate rises with rising water temperature, so if it's there, it's going to grow faster.The presence of algae can be ruled in or out with an OCLT test.

I agree that doing a SLAM on new plaster can cause trouble. The main risk is that the initial charge of chlorine pushes the pH too high which increases the risk of metals coming out of solution and staining the plaster. You have two levels of defense against this. One is starting at a pH of 7.2, and the second is the metal sequestrant the PB added, which attaches to metal atoms, keeping them from combining with other things that can allow stains to form. There is no risk from the chlorinating liquid itself, because the chlorine is mostly held in an inactive form by the CYA.

That said, there's no panic. As long as you can see the bottom, you have 5 or more ppm FC, and ph is anywhere from 7.2 to 7.8, swimming is entirely safe.

The person who reckons pH is great around 8.5 probably has their pH around 7.8 or 8.0 and is using an uncalibrated pH pen or maybe test strips. If their pH was that high, they'd probably be getting scale somewhere. They'd also be consuming more daily chlorine, although the effect isn't big in winter. Eye or skin discomfort varies by individual, and might be a concern, but my bet is their pH is actually lower than 8.5.

I also believe I may have algae brewing. I’m prepared for a slam if I need to. My ccl extra chlorine test stuff arrived today and I have heaps left from the original set. Have about 60 litres of chlorine. My concern is also what a slam will do to the ph and also my new pebble. I want to make sure it’s done properly and that it is definitely needed first. Will do another OCLT but I’m going to hold off until later in the week as I feel that things have only been as they should be for a couple of days. I have a feeling my neighbour is annoyed about the noise coming from my pump so not sure I can run it 24/7 without really pushing the friendship. I will try and run it for longer though. It is currently on low and has been since I changed it from high a week ago. The pool company who did handover said the clean out the robot every couple of days. I have only done it twice in the past week so will be more diligent with that. I’m also wondering if it could be cloudy from plumber working right next to the pool digging in the overflow pipe? There were a few pebbles and a bit of dirt in the pool. That probably doesn’t help any potential algae bloom. To clarify you mean I could add another bottle of sequesterent prior to a slam? Going to see how this week goes.

Yes, the 8.4 ph is likely completely off lol.
 
Haha, yeh on the pH.

No need for more sequestrant this early. There will still be enough in the water and doing its thing :) With 60 litres of chlorine, I bet you can do a mate's pool too :)

Thanks. Just want to be fully prepared for slam so I am ready to go ahead if need be. Might chuck some in next door’s pool if I have any spare lol.

This is just now at 4pm when I took cover off. Looking down at the deep end. It’s been raining and is very overcast.

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Fill numbers for the record.

FC - 0
PH - 7.4
TA - 40
CH - 100

Have had the pump running all afternoon so FC has risen. Currently:

FC - 8
CC - 0.5
PH - 7.6

Will leave pump running on low all night and turn chlorine production to nothing. Will bump it up again in the morning. Will leave the auto acid dosing on since it doesn’t seem to actually do anything anyway. Wish I could just dump the super diluted stuff that’s in the tank and refill to proper dilution but that’s obviously not wise! Want to see if it will make a difference. I have a feeling it will a little. Added 250ml of acid by hand earlier to bring Ph down from 7.9 to 7.6. Just happy my pool is no longer seeing ph of 8+

Topping up the pool again! These boys loose so much water. Never really had to top it up before until they started swimming yesterday. On and the new overflow plumbing works beautifully!

Sitting tight to see whether I need to slam.
 
Sitting tight to see whether I need to slam.

Hopefully you will be able to get away with it.

Might pay to just check your FC level early in the morning before you fire up the chlorinator again to see if your FC holds overnight.

I remember my PH was stuck up in the high 7's and had to add at least 5L before the pool stabilised (and mine is FG...!) - now seems steady around 7.5 (has been for the last few days anyway).
 
Hopefully you will be able to get away with it.

Might pay to just check your FC level early in the morning before you fire up the chlorinator again to see if your FC holds overnight.

I remember my PH was stuck up in the high 7's and had to add at least 5L before the pool stabilised (and mine is FG...!) - now seems steady around 7.5 (has been for the last few days anyway).

I’m not so sure but want to be absolutely sure I need to slam before I do.

Was planning on checking FC again first thing in the morning. Have a feeling it won’t pass. I have turned the chlorine production off. I don’t have the energy for a slam right now and I don’t want to risk staining my beautiful pebble.

Just having the extra chlorine production today due to running pump much longer than usual has bumped the ph up as has 1.5 hours of non stop jumping and splashing this evening. It’s been pretty good though compared to what it was only a few days ago... more from me taking matters into my own hands. I think you will find the acid dosing will work better on your pool since it will be established when you get it going plus you don’t have curing plaster driving it up... and only one child not two doing cannonballs!

I do have a question for you about the chlorinator. When you select the pump speed on the chlorinator does the led rpm speed change on the actual pump itself! I have mine programmed to run on low seed through the chlorinator but I only noticed tonight that the pump itself is still saying 2850.
 
I do have a question for you about the chlorinator. When you select the pump speed on the chlorinator does the led rpm speed change on the actual pump itself! I have mine programmed to run on low seed through the chlorinator but I only noticed tonight that the pump itself is still saying 2850.

The speed selection for the pump via the chlorinator is only applicable if you have an optional 'Data' cable fitted between the pump and the chlorinator.

The optional cable just looks like a standard 6 way flat telephone type cable ie. nothing special but is not supplied as standard.

I suspect that you don't have one fitted (neither do I at the moment). If this is the case then the speed of the pump is set by the pump itself - so no automatic switching of speeds by the chlorinator (it simply ignores those settings in its menu system).

If you do have a cable connecting the two together, you need to ensure that the timers are disabled in the pump (through the pump's 'conf' settings menu) and then the chlorinator can control the pump time and speeds (low, med or high).


Picture of the cable - 6 Conductor flat telephone type - RJ12 cable - Nothing special. I think I have one or two of these lying around that I could try out with my gear.

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More info here: How do you enable an AstralPool Viron EVO P320 / P600 pump to integrate with other AstralPool equipment / Viron salt chlorinators / Equilibrium salt chlorinators / RC9 Rola Chem / Connect 10? | AstralPool

 

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The speed selection for the pump via the chlorinator is only applicable if you have an optional 'Data' cable fitted between the pump and the chlorinator.

The optional cable just looks like a standard 6 way flat telephone type cable ie. nothing special but is not supplied as standard.

I suspect that you don't have one fitted (neither do I at the moment). If this is the case then the speed of the pump is set by the pump itself - so no automatic switching of speeds by the chlorinator (it simply ignores those settings in its menu system).

If you do have a cable connecting the two together, you need to ensure that the timers are disabled in the pump (through the pump's 'conf' settings menu) and then the chlorinator can control the pump time and speeds (low, med or high).


Picture of the cable - 6 Conductor flat telephone type - RJ12 cable - Nothing special. I think I have one or two of these lying around that I could try out with my gear.

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More info here: How do you enable an AstralPool Viron EVO P320 / P600 pump to integrate with other AstralPool equipment / Viron salt chlorinators / Equilibrium salt chlorinators / RC9 Rola Chem / Connect 10? | AstralPool


Ok. So I’ve been to check and once again I am more confused than ever. I don’t have a data cable connecting the two but what I do have is a much thicker cable running between them. There is actually no power lead for the pump. It hooks straight to the chlorinator.

So theoretically they should talk to each other which I guess they do as the chlorinator controls the pump timer. The thing is I just changed the speed of manually on to high from low via the chlorinator to see if it sounded any different. Nope. I have a feeling my pump has been running on high speed this entire time. Not really sure what to do. Might add it to my Astral phone call list. This equipment is doing my head in. Give me a few bottle of chlorine and a few of acid and I’ll be happy. It has been nothing but a headache.

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Black cable is where the pump plugs into chlorinator.
 
There is actually no power lead for the pump. It hooks straight to the chlorinator.

So theoretically they should talk to each other which I guess they do as the chlorinator controls the pump timer.

Mine is connected the same.

Basically the power lead for the pump is connected to the chlorinator and the chlorinator simply switches power to the pump controlling it's on/off period no different to if you had the pump's power cable plugged into a power point and you were switching it on and off as needed.

The pump's timers are not used by the chlorinator - the chlorinator just switches the power on and off to the pump using its own (chlorinator) timers.

So no fancy comms to the pump via its power cable...!



I have a feeling my pump has been running on high speed this entire time. Not really sure what to do.

*** BTW - To set it to Low, Med or High speed, push the corresponding Low/Med/High speed button on the PUMP. You can also adjust the speed via the orange up/down buttons while the pump is running to fine tune the RPM to your liking for that chosen setting (Low/Med?High).

The pump will forever stay on that speed until you select another speed via the pump's buttons

NOTE that when the pump stops and is then restarted at some later stage, the pump will always fire up at HIGH speed for 5 mins first (to ensure a good prime). After 5 mins it will drop back to the last chosen speed you had set eg. LOW etc.


The small telephone style cable is what connects the two up together allowing the chlorinator & pump to 'talk' to each other via a data/control bus.

Power is still supplied by the chlorinator itself which is important as if flow is stopped for any reason, the chlorinator can sense (via the SWCG flow sensor) this and kill power to the pump thereby protecting it.

Hope that makes some sense...:)
 
Mine is connected the same.

Basically the power lead for the pump is connected to the chlorinator and the chlorinator simply switches power to the pump controlling it's on/off period no different to if you had the pump's power cable plugged into a power point and you were switching it on and off as needed.

The pump's timers are not used by the chlorinator - the chlorinator just switches the power on and off to the pump using its own (chlorinator) timers.

So no fancy comms to the pump via its power cable...!


The small telephone style cable is what connects the two up together allowing the chlorinator & pump to 'talk' to each other via a data/control bus.

Power is still supplied by the chlorinator itself which is important as if flow is stopped for any reason, the chlorinator can sense (via the SWCG flow sensor) this and kill power to the pump thereby protecting it.

Ok that makes sense! So I need to physically set the speed on the pump? I had a look at the manual and a fumble around but found it confusing. Will look at the you tube video. Going to turn it back to auto so it is off overnight and deal with it in the morning. It’s raining and tight at the equipment pad. I’ve said it before but I love my light out there. Just when my level of annoyance wanes something like this crops up. The pool company that did handover (you could likely guess the franchise) specifically said I don’t need to touch the pump as it’s all controlled by the chlorinator [emoji35] Goodness knows how much power I’ve used and no wonder I’m annoying our lovely neighbour! Plus my pool would likely be better off on low. Oh well will fix tomorrow. Once again you save the day. Thank you so much!
 
So I need to physically set the speed on the pump?

Correct...!

You will see 3 blue buttons on the pump that have what looks like small vertical bars. The LHS button has one bar (Low speed selection), the middle has 2 bars (Med speed selection) and the RHS button has 3 bars (High speed selection).

With the pump running, just press the LHS button and it will select LOW speed and stay on LOW speed. Once the speed is chosen you can also make speed adjustments via the orange buttons (Up/Down) and you will see the RPM change in 25 RPM steps - It will automatically save this speed for the mode (Low/Med/High) that is currently selected.

OK - Just found a pic of the pump's control panel:

You can see the three blue buttons which manually allow you to select Low/Med & High speeds. You can also see the two orange Up/Down arrow buttons which allow you to fine tune (Low/Med/High) speeds to anything within the range of the pump's capability... eg: you could set the Low speed to say 2850... :)

Basically the 3 blue buttons with the bars on them are 3 different speed settings and each one can have any speed saved into it.

When and if you end up buying one of those RJ12 data cables, the chlorinator itself can then (and ONLY then) automatically choose one of the three saved speed settings that you have set in the pump.

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Correct...!

You will see 3 blue buttons on the pump that have what looks like small vertical bars. The LHS button has one bar (Low speed selection), the middle has 2 bars (Med speed selection) and the RHS button has 3 bars (High speed selection).

Thank you so much! I will get it sorted tomorrow. I can’t believe it’s been running on high this whole time! Eek. Goodness knows how long it would have stayed that way for [emoji15] My pump is installed backwards so will be better done after a decent sleep, daylight and hopefully no rain.
 
At 2850 RPM, my pump was drawing 947 Watts of electricity...!

You may want to go out there and push the LHS Blue button tonight...:D

Default setting for 'Low' speed setting (factory default) is 1350 RPM which is a more palatable 150 Watts....! ...and it is a lot more quieter...:cool:


Here is a 'Power Consumption' graph from the other day when I was measuring my P320XT pump:

Remember the last point at 3000 RPM is more like 3500 RPM as the pump is in 'Overdrive' mode at this point with no RPM displayed - ie: it is running flat out...!


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At 2850 RPM, my pump was drawing 947 Watts of electricity...!

You may want to go out there and push the LHS Blue button tonight...:D

Default setting for 'Low' speed setting (factory default) is 1350 RPM which is a more palatable 150 Watts....! ...and it is a lot more quieter...:cool:

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Oh dear!

It’s off for tonight. It’s pouring down and I’m done for the day. Will get it sorted in the morning. Thank you for saving my sanity and my future electricity bill. At least I know the next one will not be a true indication of the costs involved in running a pool!
 

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