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Hi there...sorry you waited for me but its just as well because you reported dramatically increasing clarity.

(And yes, it was quite a party...dispatched the very last guest a few hours ago (yes, late Sat. afternoon from a Frday night party ;) and tore down the soundstage. Some swam til dawn. All I can say is what a night!)

In my cold water slam, I'd been able to actually pass the Overnight Chlorine Loss Test without getting the drifts of debris off the floor, then turning off the pump overnight, then doing a slow vac. BUT you're dealing with summer temps so perhaps a slightly different aproach will work for you.

If your FC is topped up and mixed in for the night, why not turn the pump off tonight to see if more settles.

Then in am, turn on filter, top up FC, then using the vac, veeeeerrrrrrry slowly (think tai chi) "approach" the edge of each debris pile and gently move over it....pretend you're decommissioning a bomb ;)

Don't worry about the edges where the side meets the floor. Get it on a later pass when visibility improves and theres less for the filter to deal with. Don't get in the pool...too much wave action.

Be prepared for possible pump basket clogs where you'll need to shut down, clean out the basket, re-lube or wet the o-ring, re-prime and then switch to waste again.

Its entirely possible that the stuff on the floor has just collected through the "top layer filtering" you've been doing, which was actually the idea --- getting the debris to settle and getting enough clarity to vac to waste.

While there are other ways to get stuff to drop to the floor, they can be complicated with unintended results and don't work right if there's still active algae so they aren't recommended by TFP.

As to length of your Slam...again, I was lucky in that my 12 days were in cool weather and cold water. Its not uncommon to see summer slams run 3 weeks or more.

My sense is that based on your pace you'd be able to see the deep end in another week to do a slow vac there. So the shallow end vac might be good practice ;)
 
Hi there...sorry you waited for me but its just as well because you reported dramatically increasing clarity.

(And yes, it was quite a party...dispatched the very last guest a few hours ago (yes, late Sat. afternoon from a Frday night party ;) and tore down the soundstage. Some swam til dawn. All I can say is what a night!)

In my cold water slam, I'd been able to actually pass the Overnight Chlorine Loss Test without getting the drifts of debris off the floor, then turning off the pump overnight, then doing a slow vac. BUT you're dealing with summer temps so perhaps a slightly different aproach will work for you.

If your FC is topped up and mixed in for the night, why not turn the pump off tonight to see if more settles.

Then in am, turn on filter, top up FC, then using the vac, veeeeerrrrrrry slowly (think tai chi) "approach" the edge of each debris pile and gently move over it....pretend you're decommissioning a bomb ;)

Don't worry about the edges where the side meets the floor. Get it on a later pass when visibility improves and theres less for the filter to deal with. Don't get in the pool...too much wave action.

Be prepared for possible pump basket clogs where you'll need to shut down, clean out the basket, re-lube or wet the o-ring, re-prime and then switch to waste again.

Its entirely possible that the stuff on the floor has just collected through the "top layer filtering" you've been doing, which was actually the idea --- getting the debris to settle and getting enough clarity to vac to waste.

While there are other ways to get stuff to drop to the floor, they can be complicated with unintended results and don't work right if there's still active algae so they aren't recommended by TFP.

As to length of your Slam...again, I was lucky in that my 12 days were in cool weather and cold water. Its not uncommon to see summer slams run 3 weeks or more.

My sense is that based on your pace you'd be able to see the deep end in another week to do a slow vac there. So the shallow end vac might be good practice ;)

Ok, welcome back! I turned off the pump last night, and am ready to get to work in about 1 hour. I will follow your directions. Test the FC, add if necessary, turn the pump on, and slow vacuum to waste. I will do my best not to disturb/stir up the stuff.

Thanks you again for all of your help, along with everyone else !:D

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I am so ready to see this pool turn blue!

You got that right !:kim:

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I was hoping that Swampwoman would have checked in by now but I know she had a busy week. But I agree with zea3, a slow careful vac would be good at this point. It will probably cloud things up though, then have to let it settle again. I know swampwoman may have been looking for clues as to what is really going on, but getting the stuff out of the pool should decrease SLAM time.

I'm on it today...thank you for the support !:cool:

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I do not think it is hazardous if it is right around Slam level, I am sure many pools that I have been in have had way more Hypochlorous acid (the oxidizing agent of chlorine) in it than your pool at the present, and the germs are continually being killed. But I think if you get in it will stir up the water much more. So I would first try from the side.

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would a shop vac rigid extension attach to the end of your vacuum hose?

I will see if it my shop vac nozzle/corner adaptor will fit onto my hose when I am ready to hit the crevices.:kim:
 
Shallow end vacuumed succesfully. Refilling pool, filter/pump on, DE added. I believe, at the risk of sounding foolish, that I got 99.9 % of the visible sediment/brown matter. This is in the shallow end only, and partially on the slope leading to the deep end. I am waiting for the refill to be completed, and then will do a thorough inspection to see what, if anything, I have missed. If necessary a 2nd vacuuming will be done.

One tiny area on a curve crevice between the wall and floor appeared to not come up with the vacuum. I took my brush to it, and it appears that the area is stained rather than containing sediment. I suppose this is to be expected given the length of time that some sediment may have been lodged in that area?

In any event, forward:kim:
 
Great news! Any apparent impact on clarity?


Tough to say. It looks clearer from a quick subjective perspective, but looking down to the floor I don't notice an immediate difference. Time will tell. In the meantime, I am refilling the pool, and I have added a touch more diluted DE to the skimmer.

Of course, my fear now is that the deep end will be filled with similiar matter requiring vacuuming, but will I gain sufficient clarity to see that floor?:confused:

Your interest and support is much appreciated:)
 

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While you are at it today since you have it stirred up anyway, I would vacuum blindly in the deep end. When I did my pool that was in a very similar condition, even had a grill in the bottom and many branches exceeding 2" in diameter at their base, surprised it did not puncture my liner. I vacuumed blindly the whole pool, my wife would vacuum I would watch the waste water, when it turned brown I would tell her to stop on that spot til the waste water cleared and then move on. we did this repeatedly with 3 hoses filling all the time in an attempt to keep up with vacuum waste which as you see is no match for the vacuum. After I got all the leaves branches, and grill out and fixed some of my equipment and was thoroughly "Pool $tore $chooled" for a few weeks I performed my slam in a week, guess I was the lucky one, if you call SLAMing lucky.
 
While you are at it today since you have it stirred up anyway, I would vacuum blindly in the deep end. When I did my pool that was in a very similar condition, even had a grill in the bottom and many branches exceeding 2" in diameter at their base, surprised it did not puncture my liner. I vacuumed blindly the whole pool, my wife would vacuum I would watch the waste water, when it turned brown I would tell her to stop on that spot til the waste water cleared and then move on. we did this repeatedly with 3 hoses filling all the time in an attempt to keep up with vacuum waste which as you see is no match for the vacuum. After I got all the leaves branches, and grill out and fixed some of my equipment and was thoroughly "Pool $tore $chooled" for a few weeks I performed my slam in a week, guess I was the lucky one, if you call SLAMing lucky.

Interesting story ! A grill in your pool??? Unfortunately, I am a one man operation, so I donot have someone to observe the waste water, but your idea is a good one. I measured the depth clarity in the deep end and measured somewhere between 3 and 5 feet. For the heck of it, since I used my black long pole as a measuring stick, I decided to do some bottom raking. Surprisingly, no muck or brown matter raked in the net, or was stirred up sufficeintly for me to see. That was good news. I did, however, harvest several small crabapple berries (mini crabapples ?) that would have dropped from my adjoining tree just behind my pool fence. The good news concerning them, was that they are relatively "new" and not decayed. Hence, these would be recent droppings that matched the current crop still on the tree. But not a drop of the feared "brown, liquified" matter was spotted.

I will measure and watch the deep end clarity from day to day to watch for progress. I will hold off on vacuuming the deep end for a short while.

Onward:p
 
Some progress to report. I can see down the deep-end where the sides meet the bottom. On my pool, (don't know if they are alike) the sides curve to meet the bottom. I can view this area (straining but it is visible). I observed small pockets of the debris matter on the curved area in various spots along one side. I did not look at the other side due to the sun. Hopefully, in a day or so the bottom will be visible so I can vacuum the deep end.

I await your input. Thank you
 
Just hang in there, Richard...soon all will be revealed as they say ;)

In the tactic that I'd suggested, debris will keep accumulating in those areas as you filter mostly the top. You want as much of it to settles as possible before your final slow-vac-to-waste session(s) if possible ;)

If you get a chance in the next few days, post a pic of the entire pool - not close up on just the water. I'd like to see color & clarity to plot your next phase on well water management ;)
 

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