Run Time and Flow

phxdesrochers

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Nov 27, 2024
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Phoenix
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18000
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Liquid Chlorine
So my inner Engineer couldn't not do some testing with my pump to determine flow and power usage based on speed. I plotted it and calculated the most cost effective speed to run based on energy costs to turn over the entire pool. Please see attached. Is there any reason to not run for 7-8 hours at 60% speed? It's 38-40 gpm.

My FC sits between 1.3-2.5 ppm
TA is pretty solid at 80ppm
pH sits 7.3-7.5
And total hardness is 220ppm

I notice some light haze at night with thr pool lights but not cloudy and I can see thr bottom at 6ft just fine.
 

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calculated the most cost effective speed to run based on energy costs to turn over the entire pool.

You get the most efficiency by not buying into the turnover myth.


You run your pump for a reason. If you don't have a reason, you're most efficient not running the pump. Reasons to run your pump are:
  1. To generate chlorine if you have a SWCG or tab feeder.
  2. To skim your pool.
  3. To mix chemicals if you manually add them.
 
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The flow vs RPM line should be very close to linear:


How did you measure flow rate? From the pump display? Did you allow it to stabilize before taking a measurement?
 
Reasons to run your pump are:
  1. To generate chlorine if you have a SWCG or tab feeder.
  2. To skim your pool.
  3. To mix chemicals if you manually add them.
Few more:
4. To filter your water (until it's as clear as you like.)
5. To heat your water (until it's as warm as you like.)
6. To run water features (if you like looking at water falls, bubblers, for hours on end.)
7. To run a suction- or pressure-side vacuum cleaner.

Usually, one of those seven determines how long you must run your pump. And it's usually seasonal. For me, it's SWG in Spring and Fall (8 hours @ 1600RPM), and solar heater in the summer(8 hours @ 2100RPM). And filtering in the winter (4 hours @ 1500RPM). Everything else gets done within the runtime of that one governing schedule. For others, it might be some other set of "minimums" throughout the year.

But it's never "turnover."

The first step to figuring out efficiency, is to determine which of that list takes the longest, and then what pump speed gets the job done. And that can be tricky. For example, does your surface look best if you skim at 2800RPM for two hours? Or does it look best when you skim for 12 hours at 1200 RPM?

What your graph-method is not accommodating is aesthetics. How good the bottom looks, or the surface, or the water clarity is up to you. It's not something you can determine with pump curves alone. If you don't mind a handful of leaves on the bottom, then you might only vacuum for a couple hours a day. But if the least blemish makes you crazy, you might prefer to run a vac all day long. Same with skimming. Or how warm does your family want the pool?

Your pool, and the seasons, tell you how long to run your pump, and at what speed. And unless you're willing to settle for less, your "efficiency" will cost what it costs. And it usually takes at least a couple seasons to fine tune all those runtime/speed scenarios. You can't sit down in an afternoon and figure it out with some math...
 
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My FC sits between 1.3-2.5 ppm
TA is pretty solid at 80ppm
pH sits 7.3-7.5
And total hardness is 220ppm
What specific test kit are you using?

I notice some light haze at night
Your water should be crystal clear:

 
Sorry, answering a few questions all at once.

The CYA is sitting around 25-30.

The pool is covered with a bubble cover 98% of the time and we are only using the spa a few times a week.

I'm still using the guess strips and every 2 weeks was going to Leslie's for a check and never doing what their sheet recommended, but am quickly learning how inaccurate that can all be. My numbers were always pretty close to theirs but I'm starting to look at the digital ones on line or DPD kits.

I used one of the Chlorox 6:1 shock bags I had laying around and ran the pump for half the day and here is the result at night. Certainly more clear. After reading some of the Shock threads I'm learning that isn't a common practice here and if there is an issue to follow the SLAM process.


Great input on pump run times and reasons. Thank you!
 

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The flow vs RPM line should be very close to linear:


How did you measure flow rate? From the pump display? Did you allow it to stabilize before taking a measurement?
By using the data read out on the app. I waited several minutes between speed changes before recording the values.
 
I'm still using the guess strips
They're a liability. Throw them out.

every 2 weeks was going to Leslie's
Stay out of the pool store.

quickly learning how inaccurate that can all be
That's correct. You need a proper test kit.

starting to look at the digital ones on line or DPD kits
Get the TF-Pro. It's a superb test kit. If you're on a strict budget, get the TF-100.


I used one of the Chlorox 6:1 shock bags I had laying around
The only practical long-term methods of chlorination are liquid chlorine (LC) or using a saltwater chlorine generator (SWCG). For Phoenix, I would highly recommend a SWCG.

follow the SLAM process
You need a proper test kit to perform a SLAM.
 
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