InstantArcade

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Hi all, I'm new here, but heard you were the best folks to help me fix my problem.

I have a 10k gallon pool with a Rx Clear 3/4 HP Mighty Niagara pump which was new in January (replacing my 15 year old pentair that had a bad bearing and broke as I tried to get it apart). After the pump swap, the new pump has been working just fine up until recently.

My problem is currently twofold-
1. I the pump basket only gets about half full of water
2. I seem to be losing water overnight when the pump is running.

There are no obvious wet patches, so I assumed I have a broken pipe somewhere under the concrete.

The skimmer I have is one that has the main pool drain feed in from the bottom and the pump from the side. I have a brass diverter that helps pull more from the pool cleaner than the drain (if I don't do this, the pool cleaner doesn't get enough suction).

Things I've tried so far (with observations)
1. I bodged a pool cleaner pipe to the pump input and ran it into the pool over the concrete deck (bypassing the skimmer and existing plumbing) - This almost fills the pump basket, it's still quite turbulent with about 1/4" of thrashing water/air at the top. I cleaned the lid and o-ring and applied some pool lube to the o-ring, but no change. The pump/lid doesn't appear to have any damage.
2. I re-connected the existing piping and disconnected my pool cleaner piping, and I seem to now get the same kind of performance. There's still a lot of small bubbles coming back into the pool (but I imagine they could be getting introduced on the return side?!?)

This is how it runs with the existing underground piping

This is how it runs with the pool cleaner bodge <- note the soapy stuff was me trying to look for leaks with better bubbles - I was expecting to see the bubbles move, but there was nothing I could see.

Not really sure what to try next, I'm toying with the idea of getting some pipe and fittings to run a temporary over ground setup to eliminate the existing underground piping. Additionally, possibly bypassing the cartridge filter as another test.
 
Hi all, I'm new here, but heard you were the best folks to help me fix my problem.

I have a 10k gallon pool with a Rx Clear 3/4 HP Mighty Niagara pump which was new in January (replacing my 15 year old pentair that had a bad bearing and broke as I tried to get it apart). After the pump swap, the new pump has been working just fine up until recently.

My problem is currently twofold-
1. I the pump basket only gets about half full of water
2. I seem to be losing water overnight when the pump is running.

There are no obvious wet patches, so I assumed I have a broken pipe somewhere under the concrete.

The skimmer I have is one that has the main pool drain feed in from the bottom and the pump from the side. I have a brass diverter that helps pull more from the pool cleaner than the drain (if I don't do this, the pool cleaner doesn't get enough suction).

Things I've tried so far (with observations)
1. I bodged a pool cleaner pipe to the pump input and ran it into the pool over the concrete deck (bypassing the skimmer and existing plumbing) - This almost fills the pump basket, it's still quite turbulent with about 1/4" of thrashing water/air at the top. I cleaned the lid and o-ring and applied some pool lube to the o-ring, but no change. The pump/lid doesn't appear to have any damage.
2. I re-connected the existing piping and disconnected my pool cleaner piping, and I seem to now get the same kind of performance. There's still a lot of small bubbles coming back into the pool (but I imagine they could be getting introduced on the return side?!?)

This is how it runs with the existing underground piping

This is how it runs with the pool cleaner bodge <- note the soapy stuff was me trying to look for leaks with better bubbles - I was expecting to see the bubbles move, but there was nothing I could see.

Not really sure what to try next, I'm toying with the idea of getting some pipe and fittings to run a temporary over ground setup to eliminate the existing underground piping. Additionally, possibly bypassing the cartridge filter as another test.
That would usually indicate a suction leak. If all the new plumbing is good and if the pool is loosing water with the pump off, it is likely an underground leak in the suction line that would need a leak-detection company to find. Sorry.
 
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Thanks for the reply!

I just ran a new pipe over the top of the concrete as a test and it is not sucking in any air, with just a tiny bit of room at the top of the pump and no real turbulence.

I'm going to let it run overnight to see if my water level drops (I just marked it). If not, then it's a cracked feed pipe for sure and I'll have to bite the bullet on that one.
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