Proud new owner of an above-ground SWAMP

Ok, so I am DONE with vacuuming. I can't manage to get it to move correctly - the end of the hose where it connects to the hose keeps popping loose. I think it would be easier if I were actually IN the water, or on a deck at the water level. Trying to use it up over the edge of the pool from the ground is very difficult for me. Rather than risk damaging my equipment, I'm going to just stick to scrubbing and adding chemicals for now, and let the filter keep running. GAH!
 
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Sorry - I can't seem to get a better photo because of the time of day, plus I'm using a cell phone. The white film is almost completely gone. I just have murk and his friend dark cloud, though the cloud subsides after a bit. Th first pic makes it look like there is a foam on the top of the water, but the wind was blowing and it's actually ripples.
 
UGH! Twice in the last half hour I've had to go and shut the pump off - the psi is reading 30!!!! - suddenly and with no warning. It seems the basket keeps popping up out of the filter. What is causing this to happen? When I shut off and re-settle the basket, the gauge reads 21. This is high from what we were seeing normal as yesterday (18) but the backwash is running clear. What gives? I am going to get tired of running out to check the gauge every 10 minutes!
 
Until you get all the debris out and the water reasonably clear you're going to have to check the filter pressure pretty regularly and backwash whenever the pressure rises about 8 psi above normal.

Bleed the air out while the pump is running.
 
okay - I can't find an air release valve. The tank has a diagram on the side of it, and nothing with a name like that is listed. When I went out, the basket had popped again - I shut off, reset and restarted, and then started looking for the valve again. While I was there, the basket floated up again. GAH! I've now shut the pump down completely, because I don't want it breaking.

Help! Where is this valve? I took 3 pictures - hopefully this will be of assistance.

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adoptolderkids said:
I haven't gone back out to vacuum - but I am certain that I must have lost suction, because that is what caused the pump to drain out.

This is certainly a learn-as-you go thing. I hope I haven't damaged anything. I feel good that everything seems to still be working, other than the vacuum. I will try again - and this time NOT lift it up out of the water to see if it is sucking water. I am so stupid - but I can be reformed, I swear! :)

You will need to vacuum again as soon as possible because the chlorine you're adding is being used oxidizing the material on the bottom. You want it to be put to a much better use working on the organics suspended in the water.

I have a very similar pump and filter setup as you. When I vacuum I follow these steps:

1. Attach the brush to the end of the pole, the hose to the brush, and the suction plate to the other end of the hose.

2. Clean skimmer basket.

3. Submerge the pole & brush and allow it to lay:
...A) somewhere on the bottom with no debris
...B) suspended halfway to the bottom.
...(another person helping and/or wedging the pole between ladder rungs can be helpful for doing this)

4. Take the suction plate end and walk it over to the return jet and throw the rest of the hose into the pool.

5. Put the opening of the suction plate over the return jet
...(This will fill the hose with water quickly and easily but will create turbulence around the brush head as bubbles are forced out and finally just water. Thats why positioning the brush in a good spot in step 3 is important as to not disturb the debris.)

6. If vacuuming to waste, now is a good time to turn the pump off, change the valve to the Waste setting and turn the pump back on.
...(Make sure someone is still holding the suction plate submerged)

7. Keeping the suction plate always submerged, carefully slide it through the skimmer opening and position it above the basket. Then allow the plate to be sucked down onto the basket.
...(Be sure the plate is flush and properly seated over the basket. I usually position the plate as far back into the skimmer as possible before allowing the suction to pull it down onto basket. You may need to open the Weir door outward before feeding the suction plate into the skimmer to accomplish this. If all went well you should see little or no air entering the pump basket view port.)

8. Vacuum your pool. You'll want to move the brush head slowly along the bottom so you don't stir up the debris but still realize you are draining the pool at a high rate so be efficient with your vacuuming method. Do not allow the brush head to leave the water or you will have to change back to the filter setting and start again at step 6.
 
adoptolderkids said:
okay - I can't find an air release valve. The tank has a diagram on the side of it, and nothing with a name like that is listed. When I went out, the basket had popped again - I shut off, reset and restarted, and then started looking for the valve again. While I was there, the basket floated up again. GAH! I've now shut the pump down completely, because I don't want it breaking.

Help! Where is this valve? I took 3 pictures - hopefully this will be of assistance.

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I believe the air release is actually just the handle. Push the handle down.
 

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Okay, that is a very helpful step by step - thank you! However, our ladder is not yet in the pool. I have been attempting to vacuum from the ground level, with the vacuum hose climbing up over the side of the pool and then down. It sounds much easier with the hose being in the pool - I am so clueless! It sounds like I am going to have to climb into the pool to make this go smoothly. I'm not sure if that is a safe idea yet.

I don't want to try again, until I get this air issue solved. Where the heck is the valve? heh
 
adoptolderkids said:
Okay, that is a very helpful step by step - thank you! However, our ladder is not yet in the pool. I have been attempting to vacuum from the ground level, with the vacuum hose climbing up over the side of the pool and then down. It sounds much easier with the hose being in the pool - I am so clueless! It sounds like I am going to have to climb into the pool to make this go smoothly. I'm not sure if that is a safe idea yet.
Don't worry! You will be able to do it without getting in. It's a little more tricky without a helper but can be done.
I don't want to try again, until I get this air issue solved. Where the heck is the valve? heh

Vacuuming won't work anyway without all the air gone.
 
Jesse, if you look back on the first page, I have a pic of the setup before I started having problems. That white thing was always up. It says "gate valve" on it. I *think* it controls the water coming from the pump into the return. Maybe not though. I am not very mechanically inclined.
 
With the pump off, turn the multiport valve to the waste and wait for water to flow out the backwash hose (light blue hose), then set the handle back to filter. Most of the should have purged.
 
adoptolderkids said:
Jesse, if you look back on the first page, I have a pic of the setup before I started having problems. That white thing was always up. It says "gate valve" on it. I *think* it controls the water coming from the pump into the return. Maybe not though. I am not very mechanically inclined.

Ahh, ok. It should be open then during normal operation.

Have you checked to see if the the pump basket is clean?
 
Yeah, the basket is fine, except that it keeps floating after a minute or so after I turn on the pump.

Oh noes! When I was using the vacuum, was the basket still supposed to be in there? I had taken it out. Maybe I sucked something big up and it's now clogged inside the tank! Is that possible? Maybe I'm overreacting and that isn't the case. Buh. I am sorry for not understanding all of this better!
 
Ok, I did the waste flow for a bit and then turned it back to filter. Watched it a while, and it seems to be working ok for now. I'm going to let it run for a bit and then go and check it. If it stays on for an hour with no issues, I will attempt to vacuum, following the handy-dandy guide I now have. Thanks again - this board has been so wonderful!

My FC number seems to be holding above 10 for now, but the pH has increased to the maximum reading - 8.4. If I am remembering correctly, this is reading wrong because of all the chlorine, right? Or should I be concerned?

Oh, and what the heck is THIS? We found it in the shed. It looks like some sort of vacuum attachment.

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adoptolderkids said:
Yeah, the basket is fine, except that it keeps floating after a minute or so after I turn on the pump.

Oh ****. When I'm using the vacuum, is the basket still supposed to be in there? I had taken it out. ****, I think I probably sucked something big up and it's now clogged inside the tank! Is that possible? Maybe I'm overreacting and that isn't the case. Buh. I am sorry for not understanding all of this better!

You actually have 2 baskets. One is in the skimmer and the other is in the pump. I was talking about the one in the pump.

You are definitely supposed to leave both baskets in place for vacuuming and everything else for that matter. If you ever actually vacuumed anything up without the skimmer basket in place, it ended up in the pump basket. So you were saved by the 2nd basket in the pump housing. You will need to clean this out.

With the pump turned off, push down the handle on the the gate valve to close it. Open the view port cover and pull out the basket. Give the basket a good hosing and make sure any stringy things are removed from the holes in the basket. Before you put the basket back in the pump, open the gate valve slightly to flush out the pump housing and line. When the water laying in the pump looks free of debris push the basket back down into the hole. When the housing is full of water, replace the view port. Be sure to put your skimmer basket back and then turn on the pump.
 

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