Pool Deck Rebar or no Rebar

[bk406]

Where they getting the labor?
Do they carry insurance?

 

[Guest]

custom gunite pools & water features for $16K

Here's a few more words that don't really go together :

Balanced budget
Affordable Health Care
Top quality; lowest price
Bipartisan leadership
Delicious Fried Liver Dinner

I'd sure like to see some of these "custom" projects :lol: :lol:

 

[Brentr]

Not sure what the going rate is elsewhere however I am glad to be living in Florida.

Brent, for the price you paid I should have had mine build in your backyard, then dug up and shipped FOB to my address! Would still have saved thousands. My permit cost $1,450 (in 2007).

polyvue this is alot cheaper than boating as we were into it a couple of years ago. :-D Also note that we did have 6 bids and we did not go with the cheapest one. We went with the one we felt most comfortable. He was right in the middle and we have become good friends. He comes to all our major events. I know that he was very busy at the time because he had 6 other pool builds going on at the same time so he had his people work on our pool during the weekends too. Electric costs 0.10 per KWh, with all the taxes it is 0.12 per KWh. Water cost $4.16 per 1,000 gals. Florida is agreat place to live Everyone move to Florida

 

[Brentr]

Yeah they're cheap here. One builder here is doing custom gunite pools & water features for $16K.

WOW That sounds like a better deal than ours :-D At that price you can afford to upgrade to some premium stuff. Where are you located :-D Please post pics of your pool build

 

[Guest]

I know that he was very busy at the time because he had 6 other pool builds going on at the same time so he had his people work on our pool during the weekends too.

The most I ever had going at one time was 35 It's funny how we each decipher what "busy" is! I'd be running scared with only 6 pools to build at a time :lol:

 

[bk406]

The most I ever had going at one time was 35 :

I didn't think you built pools. I thought you did the service end.

 

[Guest]

The most I ever had going at one time was 35 :

I didn't think you built pools. I thought you did the service end.

I don't do either currently (see sig for what I do now). I was a superintendent for 5 years for one of the premier builders in the area (top 50 in the country) and then switched to design and sales for them. In addition to my own company now, I am also a Senior Estimator for a local plaster company. I've been in the industry for almost 15 years, and in the construction industry for over 30 years.

Even in these slow times, the superintendents that I still talk with are doing a dozen or more pools now. I could probably play golf a couple times a week if I only had 6 pools to build at once and I was still superintending! If you pay attention to the job, schedule properly and have good tradespeople it really isn't that hard to build a quality project.

 

[bk406]

Ok, thats how you do that many. You supervise and contract out the work. Most builders up here are local, smaller, family owned. We dont really have those big, nationwide or regional companies. Guy who did my pool usually does 40 or so a year. Its him, his partner, son, and about 7-10 guys on the crew depending on how busy he is. He excavates with his own 300, puts in the pool, everything. Thats pretty true for most of builders up here.

 

[Guest]

I think if you were just one guy and you did 40 pools a year you could do pretty good financially. As a large company you just can't do that few and still stay in business. The company I worked for did everything in house (except plaster) so I ran our own crews. If I do build a pool now and then for a buddy (I probably still build about a half dozen pools a year for friends/family, but I don't make a practice of it!) I have a select group of folks that I use, as I know the quality of their work and they know what I expect.

I love swimming pools, but I just don't want to be a builder. I'm happy I know how to build them, and if a really interesting project comes along (like the pool on the bottom right on my web page-right on the ocean, with the surf hitting the backside of the vanishing edge when the tide is up!) I'll still build. I'm just not real interested in the "everyday" backyard pool. No challenge left in that!

 

[Henry Porter]

I look up labour cost for random contractor and charge my wife just a tiny bit less :lol:

LMAO!!!

Your going to have to teach me how to do this, mine makes me pay for materials, manpower, and then for the food and drink too!!!
Everytime I work at home I lose bigtime.

It's why my backyard looks so bad, I can't afford it anymore. LOL!!!

See ya,
Kelly

hahaha buddy! I think we all know what currency we talking about here only valid domestically...... I hope I'm not been misled though :?

BK
I'm mighty impressed how easy and with such great results they pour a regular broomed deck from post's here on tfp.
Here is the relation the opposit. Not many use concrete, while wood is by far the most common, followed by pavers. No wonder that concrete becomes more expensive here.
The reason I went with sand in my joints instead of stone crush is that I was recommended that from and old stone layer that I know. He thought that is better to work with. I can regret now that I didn't used crush instead. For the reason that ant's aren't suppose to like that as much.
I don't know how much difference it really plays when the small creatures decides to walk that path they have walked for a thousand years! I have them around the house and so far I haven't been succesfull with getting rid of them. Last year did I mix sand with cement and layed it around the house where I had pure sand before. Have to wait and see if that work's.

 

[bk406]

BK
I'm mighty impressed how easy and with such great results they pour a regular broomed deck from post's here on tfp.
Here is the relation the opposit. .

i'm not sure that's the case. It depends on the location. Nobody uses concrete in New england for driveways or roads, it gets too cold and it cracks to beat all!
I'm not in agreement with those posters who claim concrete wont crack, either. They will tell you it will crack, but in a controlled way.??
Ok, that i can buy, for the most part. But, it will crack. But we have beaten that to death and i'll say no more

The reason I went with sand in my joints instead of stone crush is that I was recommended that from and old stone layer that I know. He thought that is better to work with. I can regret now that I didn't used crush instead. .

Actually, i use the crush stone dust UNDER the pavers as a bed to lay them on instead of sand. The joints are still sand, it just has a polymer added to make the sand set up harder than regular sand. A number of manufacturer's make it, I use the brand from Unilock.

 

[Henry Porter]

Sorry BK! I misstyped that. I meant that I considerd to lay the stones in stone crush not only the joints.

Some further info about stone crush that the stone layer told me! If you use the stone crush on a drive way for example make sure to use thick pavers, beacues the crush can become so hard that it risk to brake the stones if it not laid 100% even, sand is more forgiven in that sense! That was one of the reason he liked sand better. I can't say if that make any difference irl, theoretically I can see a point.

 

[DBfan187]

Where they getting the labor?
Do they carry insurance?

custom gunite pools & water features for $16K

Here's a few more words that don't really go together :

Balanced budget
Affordable Health Care
Top quality; lowest price
Bipartisan leadership
Delicious Fried Liver Dinner

I'd sure like to see some of these "custom" projects :lol: :lol:

Yeah they're cheap here. One builder here is doing custom gunite pools & water features for $16K.

WOW That sounds like a better deal than ours :-D At that price you can afford to upgrade to some premium stuff. Where are you located :-D Please post pics of your pool build

http://www.valdostapools.com/

Dale does everything but the plaster in house. He doesn't just do pool either, he builds fountains for the colleges here in town and and any type of deck/patio work.

 

[DBfan187]

Yeah they're cheap here. One builder here is doing custom gunite pools & water features for $16K.

WOW That sounds like a better deal than ours :-D At that price you can afford to upgrade to some premium stuff. Where are you located :-D Please post pics of your pool build

I don't have a pool. I'm planning on building them in a few years though.

 

[Brentr]

Ok, thats how you do that many. You supervise and contract out the work. Most builders up here are local, smaller, family owned. We dont really have those big, nationwide or regional companies. Guy who did my pool usually does 40 or so a year. Its him, his partner, son, and about 7-10 guys on the crew depending on how busy he is. He excavates with his own 300, puts in the pool, everything. Thats pretty true for most of builders up here.

Funny I wonder if you know my PB. My PB has 2 of his sons working for him. One of them is licenced to landscape and dig/ operate the large equipment, the other is a liscenced plumber, he also has another partner who had his own pool business and basically oversees all operations. My PB contracts the plaster work, tile work and paver work to other people. This is a small family operation however he builds pools all over the state of Florida. He does commercial pools and has put in several pools for some of the local hotels including the Hyatt and Ponadra Vedra Beach Resort.

 

[bk406]

I doubt it. I live in new england

 

[Brentr]

You ENTIRE pool and deck was 21k?

But you are in Florida. Most likely a pool builder on every corner. I live in New England. People cant work that cheap here. Workers comp insurance, liability insurance cost money, and you cant pay guys 10 bucks or less an hour either

Still, even in Florida, no way your builder made any money. He couldn't have.
BTW, how much is a yard of concrete down there?

BK, I am not sure if it was you or Scott or Bruce had listed out what materials, labor and equipment cost in your area, because you were commenting how inexpensive a price we paid for our pool, however I just came from my local Home Depot and the price for 2 inch schedule 40 PVC at 10ft length is $4.16 per stick. Seems I recall someone posting $16.00 per stick. If this is so you can see that raw materials are a quarter the price so I feel confident that my PB made a bunch of money building our pool.

 

[bk406]

Naw, 10' stick of 2 inch PVC is the same $4.16 up here too. Materials dont vary all that much. Concrete may be a little cheaper, but not by much. It's a combination of labor, more builds in a given year ( maybe) and a very thin profit margin.
Labor is the biggest difference. He can probably pay 5-8 bucks an hour for a guy pushing a wheelbarrow, but we have to pay >$15 for even grunt work. Plus, he's probably not making a dime on materials. My guess is he's charging the actual cost of materials and his labor costs and a very thin profit margin.
You corrected yourself on the pavers and said inside the pool area was around 6 bucks and ouitside was 2.75. I checked on the cost of your pavers and they run about 2.50 a sq ft at contractors cost. Any cheaper and they are seconds or over runs. You said they had to make some "special" for you. Actually, they really didn't. They neeeded more on the yard anyway, probably, and just made another batch.
You can think what you want, but he didnt make that much.
But, if you can get a pool for that price that wont fall in, more power to ya!