Pentair ScreenLogic gone Haywire

[PragmaticShark]

Hello all,

My screenlogic was installed and set up by a local contractor as a result of an insurance claim. Since they have left I have had a few issues but have managed to sort them out. Now, my screenlogic seems to have reset as circuits have new names and my schedules are different. I cannot figure out for the life of me how to get it working again.

As it stands now my system does not have a circuit for the air blower or the spillway.

I need to figure out how to set up my system so that when the pool is on, the spa does not fill or drain. I want a feature that allows me to turn on the Spillway thereby filling the spa and allowing overflow into the pool. This setting should route water to both the Pool and Spa jets and only take water from the main drains/skimmers.

I also need to figure out where my Air Blower is and how to get control over that again.

I have installed ScreenLogic connect on a local PC and can access my system, I just do not know where to start in terms of getting it all set up properly.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Prag,

Show me the following ScreenLogic Set up pages from your PC..

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Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[PragmaticShark]

Here you go. On the schedule - Fountain used to be "High Speed" and would kick the pump on high for an hour at the beginning of each cycle. Spillway would activate the valves in such a way so as to fill the spa and allow the spillway to spill into the pool.

Now, Fountain does nothing and neither does Spillway.

The Air Blower used to be Aux 1 if memory serves so I assigned that name in the Circuit setup but I have not yet tested it as I do not understand how the system knows what to power.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Prag,

First.. ScreenLogic can not just change things on its own.. Someone changed the settings.. Either you did by mistake, or someone else (like a pool guy) did it remotely.. I'd change your remote password..

Second.. Your Spillway Circuit no longer works because its Circuit Function is set to Generic. It MUST be set to "Spillway".. The spillway function sets the Intake valve to suck water from the pool and sets the Return valve to send all the water to the Spa.

Third.. I see no reason for your Fountain Circuit not to work... When the Fountain circuit is on, the pump should run at full speed. (Not that I would ever run a VS pump at full speed... )

Tell me how many egg-timers you have that are NOT set to the default of 12 hours.

Do you have a waterfall? If so, is it controled by a separate pump or is it turned on and off by a valve??

Answer my questions, and it should be no problem to get your system back up and running like you want..

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Prag,

Also...

What is the point of shutting off the pump for 5 to 7 pm? And from 3 am until 6 am?

It is your pool and you should run it however you want, but it does not make sense to me.. I run my IntelliFlo 24/7, mostly at 1200 RPM... (I have no heater).

I don't understand your over lapping Pool Circuit schedules?? If the pool circuit is already on, then turning it on again does not do anything.

Running 24/7 does away with that issue..

I see you have no speed for your spillway circuit.. This just mean that when you select spillway, it will run at whatever speed the pump is currently running..

Keep in mind that when the pump sees two or more speed inputs it will always run the fastest one.. So, if the pool circuit is running at your pool speed of 2800, and you turn on your Fountain Circuit, the pump will speed up to 3450, until you turn the fountain off..

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[PragmaticShark]

My electricity is on a time of use plan so I do not run the pool during Peak times which are 2p-7p.
The pool should run from 6am-2pm starting with 1 hour of high speed and have spillway and waterfalls from 10-11:30.
Nothing from 2-7, then run again from 7p-3a starting with 1 hour of high speed and have spillway from 9:30-10:30.
I run the spillway twice a day because otherwise my spa seems to be low. I run one hour of high speed because that is what I was told was best practice and otherwise I run it on whatever speed is set, that's just how it was set up.

There are two waterfalls, both controlled by the same pump separate from the main pump.

As for egg timers, the Water Feature and Pool light are set to 4 and 3 hours respectively and the rest are 12 hours. I have set the Air Blower to 2.5 hours now and have confirmed that the blower does respond to the circuit.

My pool is about 32k gallons for reference.



For this, I do not think I need to have the Waterfall or Air Blower settings on here, am I good to delete those?

 

[Jimrahbe]

For this, I do not think I need to have the Waterfall or Air Blower settings on here, am I good to delete those?

Prag,

Since neither Waterfall or Air Blower has anything to do with the Speed of your VS pump, then it won't hurt anything to remove them from the pump speed list.

Your new schedule makes more sense based on your electrical plan..

So... What is next? Is everything now working, or do we still have an issue??

I asked about your egg-timers because you can only have a max of 12 schedules and that includes any egg-timers not set to 12 hours.. ScreenLogic will let you add a bazillion schedules, but after the first 12, none of them will work..

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[PragmaticShark]

Prag,

Since neither Waterfall or Air Blower has anything to do with the Speed of your VS pump, then it won't hurt anything to remove them from the pump speed list.

Your new schedule makes more sense based on your electrical plan..

So... What is next? Is everything now working, or do we still have an issue??

I asked about your egg-timers because you can only have a max of 12 schedules and that includes any egg-timers not set to 12 hours.. ScreenLogic will let you add a bazillion schedules, but after the first 12, none of them will work..

Thanks,

Jim R.

So this morning when I woke up my spa was bone dry again. I don't understand what would cause this - I have to imagine a valve is just set incorrectly or something. Starting to think the issue may be unrelated to the screenlogic.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Prag,

If the spa was "Bone Dry" it means that your Intake valves is sucking water out of the spa drain..

It could be the valve actuator is not working correctly.

It could be that the valve itself is just leaking, so that when in the pool mode, some water is still being sucked from the spa drain.

Put the system into the Pool Mode and then go look at your main pump's Intake valve.. It should be set so that it is sucking water from only the Pool and nothing from the Spa.

Show us several pics of your equipment pad and maybe we can spot something else.

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[PragmaticShark]

Prag,

If the spa was "Bone Dry" it means that your Intake valves is sucking water out of the spa drain..

It could be the valve actuator is not working correctly.

It could be that the valve itself is just leaking, so that when in the pool mode, some water is still being sucked from the spa drain.

Put the system into the Pool Mode and then go look at your main pump's Intake valve.. It should be set so that it is sucking water from only the Pool and nothing from the Spa.

Show us several pics of your equipment pad and maybe we can spot something else.

Thanks,

Jim R.

I can confirm that when switching between pool and spa mode only one actuator moves and that’s obviously the one for flow out from the pump since I get water in the spa when switching modes.

So, is this likely an incorrect setting or a bad actuator? The photo is of the one that does not move.

 

[Jimrahbe]

Prag,

That valve should NEVER be in that position.. In the Pool mode, the word "off" should point to the right shutting off the Spa drain. And in the Spa mode, the word "off" should point to the left, shutting off the skimmer and pool main drain.

On the actuator there is a little 3-position switch.. On- Off - On... Make sure it is in one of the two on positions.. It should never be in the 'off; position.

When you move the switch from one 'on' position to the other 'on' position, the valve should rotate about 180 degrees.. (if it were set to the right position to be begin with, which your is not..)

Please let me know what you find..

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[PragmaticShark]

Prag,

That valve should NEVER be in that position.. In the Pool mode, the word "off" should point to the right shutting off the Spa drain. And in the Spa mode, the word "off" should point to the left, shutting off the skimmer and pool main drain.

On the actuator there is a little 3-position switch.. On- Off - On... Make sure it is in one of the two on positions.. It should never be in the 'off; position.

When you move the switch from one 'on' position to the other 'on' position, the valve should rotate about 180 degrees.. (if it were set to the right position to be begin with, which your is not..)

Please let me know what you find..

Thanks,

Jim R.

That was it. I flipped that switch and in pool mode the “off” now points to the right. We will see if this works as intended but I believe it will.

Thanks for the assistance!

 

[mknauss]

Thanks for the assistance!

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