Pentair Intelliflo VSF Settings questions

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That is a suction side cleaner... Is it on all the time, or does the pool have a automated valve that turns it on or off..??

If it works well at 2200 RPM that is great... If not, I would increase the RPM, in increments of 100, until it works the way you want.

2200 may be fine, it just sounds low to me...

There is a special side hole, specifically for the suction and it is controlled separately than the rest of the pool equipment. For example, if I go into service mode, and turn the pump on manually, the side suction doesn't do anything. If that makes any sense.

You are correct. 2200 was way too low. What we discovered today was after the pool was built, the pool builder gave them a used unit. The wheels are already worn out and just looked old.

Have any of you came across this unit? how long do the wheels typically last? The pool has only been operational for 3-4 months.

At 3400 RPM, the wheels would not turn faster than 5 Rotations per minute. From what I've read online 12 is ideal.

So i'm not sure what to do. :confused:
 
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If you have a vacuum port in the side wall of the pool, it should have its own valve at the equipment pad.. You would want to see where that valve is set.. The more suction, the faster the wheels should turn.

Suction and Pressure side cleaners are basically 1970 technology... It is like using an old Black Rotary-Dial phone today.. Yes, it will work, but not as well as your cell phone.

Pool Robots are today's cell phones for your pool.. They are low voltage electric and do not require your pool equipment to be on at all.. I have been using them for about 10 years and love them.. The major con is the cost.. Your vacuum costs $100 bucks and a good robot $700 to $1400 depending on the bells and whistles.

Here is a video, just to give you an idea of how they work.. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...=yMp7Vd-Z0Is&usg=AOvVaw3kvMibEC0r4tEPeaxadqpv

It is your pool and you can do what you want, but I never go into the service mode for anything.. except of Service.. if I want to clean the pump basket or the filter.. Other than that, I use ScreenLogic to control everything. The Service mode was really made so that the "pool guy" could work on the system and not worry about the automation starting something up while he was in the middle of working on it.. Using it for manual operation can just get the automation out of sync.

If this were my pool, and I was married to a suction cleaner, I would add an actuator to the cleaner valve that would allow me to run just the cleaner or turn the cleaner off.. This would make the cleaner run better when on, and the pool run better when the cleaner was off. (Of course this would depend on if the valve controlling cleaner was a Jandy valve not a useless ball valve..)



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Jim R.
 
Well, I'm probably not going to get much agreement on the reasons why I personally choose to use the variable flow (VF) settings on my Pentair VSF pump but here goes anyway (my full body armor is donned). :)

Some caveats first.
1. If I were currently utilizing a robot for cleaning instead of a suction-side cleaner, the following reasons for using VF settings would be "out-the-window". I plan to replace "Rita" with a Maytronics robot when she dies (requires a rebuild kit) or sooner and then I will revert to all variable speed (VS) settings instead of using some VF settings.​
2. Like most here, I also do NOT subscribe to the "Pool Volume Turnover" myth. I run my pump on a daily basis just long enough to provide the proper amount of cleaning and chlorine production from my SWCG (11 hours in the summer and 8 hours in the winter). My total daily hours of pump usage, is based mostly due to the harsh summer environmental conditions in Arizona (desert, haboobs, brutal sun, etc.)​
3. I currently reside in an area where my power company offers lower rates if I minimize my electricity use during "peak" hours of the day. So I run my pump on programmed schedules "around" those peak times in order to take advantage of the lower rates. If I did not have such an opportunity and used a robot instead of a suction-side cleaner, I would probably run my pump 24x7 on the lowest speed (VS) setting possible that would still satisfy the requirements of my SWCG.​
- Why I find using a VF setting versus a VS setting works best for my particular requirements when in cleaning mode.

1. My suction side cleaner works best at a pump flow setting of 40gpm. When I say "works best", that means that the right front wheel of the cleaner turns at an optimum 13 RPM. This is with my Pool Cleaner/Skimmer Valve completely open to cleaner (pool skimmer completely closed) and Pool/Spa valve slightly open to Spa (spa skimmer). This is my "cleaning" schedule configuration.​
2. I use another schedule for Pool Skimming Only (Pool Cleaner/Skimmer Valve completely closed to cleaner (pool skimmer completely open) and Pool/Spa Valve slightly open to Spa (skimmer). Here I use a VS setting (1500 RPM) because I am not trying to satisfy the flow requirements that are optimum for the suction-side cleaner.​
3. The whole point of using a VF setting for my cleaning schedule is that it maintains that exact 40 GPM flow rate that works perfectly for my suction-side cleaner. As the filter "loads up" over time since the last backwash, that VF setting will continue to maintain that 40 GPM flow rate, no matter what.​
Yes, the RPM WILL increase over time as the filter becomes dirtier. But I don't let it get ridiculous or out of hand. I always choose to backwash my filter when the filter pressure gauge is approximately 10 PSI over it's starting point. When the filter has just been backwashed, 40 GPM equals approximately 1950 RPM/450 watts. When it's dirty, 40 GPM equals approximately 2400 RPM/800 watts.​
I realize my methodology here goes a bit against the grain of the common accepted thinking about using VF settings, but given my particular pool equipment, cleaning requirements and plumbing configurations, the method I have explained and adopted works perfectly for me and my pool. Like I said, when I convert to a robot, I plan to switch completely to a VS setting of approximately 1500 RPM or less and I realize that I will certainly most likely see some reduction in my monthly overall power consumption. The robot will be the key here for me. I am kind of holding out to see how the models that allow control by pool automation systems play out over time.

Fire away. lol.. :)
 
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Your logic make sense, I effectively do the same by adjusting the my valve between the skimmer and cleaner to ensure the cleaner is moving enough. I doubt I have the wheel turning that fast usually though as I want to keep a fair amount of skimmer action at the same time.

But, this seems to be just about the only reason to warrant a VF, and could be moot very soon if you switch to a different cleaner.

One thing to note is that we typically recommend cleaning the filter when the pressure rises 20-25% over the clean pressure, usually waiting for a 10psi rise is WAY too long and drastically decreases the flow rate. Of course these checks need to be done at the same pump speed, and usually better done at a "higher" speed and not the very low RPMs that are run for longer periods.
 
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Pool Robots are today's cell phones for your pool.. They are low voltage electric and do not require your pool equipment to be on at all.. I have been using them for about 10 years and love them.. The major con is the cost.. Your vacuum costs $100 bucks and a good robot $700 to $1400 depending on the bells and whistles.

Where are you seeing this cleaner being worth $100 bucks? I see it costing $450
 
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