I noticed these too. They appear only in the web client, inconsistently at that, and they don't do anything as far as I can tell. I tried all the heater related ones to see if it would toggle the heater on.But what you will also see is a list of items or better described as "functions", that are NOT AUX or FEATURE Circuits. I can think of many uses and scenarios for these additional "non-circuit" functions, that if included in macros could be extremely useful. Take a look at the image below and I'm sure you can imagine why these highlighted functions could be very beneficial when combined with other circuit functions within a macro. In fact, when you look at "Pool Heater" and "Spa Heater", this is just the scenario that I was attempting to help another user with, just a couple of days ago.
I did a test of my schedule capability again last night. No change. I can input temp changes for my solar or heater and they stay in effect until the schedule runs again. Then it goes back to the previous set point.
I've also gotten a response to my question from about a week ago... got the standard "We've had server problems, working highest priority..." blah, blah, blah... so I have basic functionality with a few Intellicenter niceties. But nothing close to what they offered and in the area of remote capability far inferior to much cheaper systems from 10 years ago.
Am I still happy with the decision to go Intellicenter? Well maybe because of the promise of what it could do, but I feel we(I) really need to provide candid and more complete advice to people that ask on here what the current real capability is and how long we've been waiting for some of the simple basics. Wouldn't change my decision but I think there are a lot of people that may go with a less expensive, fully functional system from either Pentair, Hayward, or Jandy. Then upgrade next time around when they finally get Intellicenter working right.
Hi Chris and Soupy...I noticed these too. They appear only in the web client, inconsistently at that, and they don't do anything as far as I can tell. I tried all the heater related ones to see if it would toggle the heater on.
The more I use the Intellicenter, the more half-baked it seems. Maybe my expectations were too high, but the stupid thing is hardly more capable than a basic timer, with a network interface that sometimes means you don't have to walk to the pad to make changes.
Oh well. I needed a new load center and the salt system, so it's not a complete waste...
Another document states that an API is available for home automation companies and home automation integrators.IntelliCenter & Home Automation Systems:
• Built-in support
• No adapters required
• Freely available Control4 and Crestron drivers
• API available to home automation integrators allows easy integration!
• More drivers to follow
IntelliCenter is the BEST pool/spa control system for customers that demand integration with their home automation system!
That's a really good point. Yes, I've had that presentation from David McCallum (who no longer works there) for a long time but sort of lost sight of the details of that presentation in all of the other clutter. Thanks for bringing it up as I am now planning on using it to further support the position of releasing the API's.
Hi @mcqwertyHi @MyAZPool and everyone else on this thread. I opened this issue on the NodeJSPoolController project on GitHub.
Long story short, one of the main contributors to that project @rstrouse has been doing fantastic work and is closer than anyone, (especially Pentair ), to getting control of the IntelliValves. However, as mentioned by @MyAZPool, he has not got further than a heatbeat-type message broadcast by the vale dubbed "I am groot".
Why do I get everyone excited and then dash their hopes? Well,
1) I believe this github project is our best hope of getting the advanced control that many of us want of our IntelliCenters (believe me, I have tried a lot of other avenues and this has the most promise!)
2) @rstrouse believes that the IChlor may hod the key to reverse engineering the IntelliValve RS484 messages. So if you have one, or if you know someone who has one, or if you can get your hands on one for a day, please let us know!!
Yes, tried that and MANY other things!I read the issue on GitHib regarding Intellivalve and the broadcast message it sends which never changes - has anyone tried putting the valve into service mode and changing the actuator position manually to see if the message changes?
The battle continues but I need control of these valves so am keeping a close eye on thisI know you have been busy with the construction and all
I had a feeling that was already tried, but I didn't see it mentioned so I thought I'd ask. It's possible that it won't broadcast actuator position as we don't know anything about the device capabilities apart from it's adjustable in 3.75-degree increments within the maximum 180-degree swing.Yes, tried that and MANY other things!
I am pretty sure @rstrouse is correct that the broadcast massage is just a beacon to the controller and then the controller must 'handshake' with the valve or at least address it directly in order for it to change it's message.
It seems like the IntelliValve does not notify of any changes unless it knows someone is listening. So first we must let it know that we are listening and we would LOVE to talk!
To my knowledge Pentair has never publicly released any RS485 protocol information so I doubt it's going to start now (but I hope to be proven wrong). What they may do though though is document the JSON API which would at some stage include IntelliValve commands. However that would require them having that functionality in the firmware which is unknown at this point (that's separate to having the functionality show in a UI on panel/app/website).As for what to ask Pentair. I would say, hey give us the docs on the IntelliValve RS485 protocol. Whatever they have, however rough would be enough I'm sure. If it is enough for them to possibly, eventually, one day, maybe, add the required firmware to the IntelliCenter then I know @rstrouse could figure it out in an evening
However, seems unlikely they would do this since technically you wouldn't need an IntelliCenter to control them then. But, as soon as they do release the update, it will be reverse engineered and they would be in the same situation...