New VSP and SWCG Usage - Changes to Routine

Jeff_S

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Apr 2, 2020
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Fernandinan Beach, FL
Hello all. I am writing to explain what I've gone through in the last few weeks and to check my actions against your recommendations. I use the Pool Math app so may latest readings (most of them anyway) should be found under my username. But here's the story:

1) Old constant-speed 2hp pump went out again, so I elected to upgrade to the Jandy VSP model. This is coupled with my Hayward t-3 SWCG. This all happened at the end of spring.

2) Worked with my pool equipment provider to set a schedule of high-speed for 4 hours and then low-speed for 7 hours, which seemed to work well until it got hotter. Then I noticed that chlorine levels kept going down even though CYA was fine. We upped the high-speed to 6 hours and low speed for 5-hours. This seemed to help, more or less.

3) Then last week hurricane Debby roared through, and I ended up having to dump 7 inches of water out of the pool over three days. And it was HOT! And right before this I had guests who were using the pool way more than I normally do. So by late last week I noticed an obvious haziness to the water and I couldn't keep chlorine above 2ppm. Based on the advice here at TFP I reasoned that I had a mild algae outbreak so I just went through a 3-day SLAM and the water is clear, OCLT was within bounds and no CC. So hopefully I'm out of the woods.

So now my questions:

1) I will wait for FC to drift down before starting up the SWCG and balancing the pH, as recommended. But once I get that going again, I've seen some advice here on running the VSP 24x7 instead of the schedule I've described. Is that the general recommendation?
2) Also, I saw one post that said the SWCG should be rated for 2x the pool size. My pool is 13,500 so the t-3 is pretty close to its maximum capacity of 15,000 gallons. Should I consider moving to a larger size when it comes time to do this?
3) Based on what I've described and my questions, what have I overlooked, or what should I consider doing differently? Is the scenario I described a plausible reason for this to have occurred, or am I overlooking something else?

TFP has always been a big help so I look forward to any advice you can provide. Cheers!
 
Your T-3 cell needs to run close to 24/7 to generate enough chlorine for your 13,000 gallon pool.

What % are you running the cell at for 11 hours?

What is your CYA level? Your PoolMath app is not linked to your TFP login.
 
Jeff,

Pump speed has nothing to do with how much FC your cell can create..

Running a saltwater pool is not 'magic', it is a simple math problem.

You have to run the cell hard enough and long enough to generate the chlorine your pool needs each day.

Cells are rated when running at 100% for 24 hours.. This is why we always recommend a cell that is rated for at least 2 x the volume of your pool.

A T-3 cell, in your pool, will increase your FC by 4 ppm, when run at 100% for 24 hours.. That is about .17 ppm per hour

You are running 11 hours and at 100% that is only 1.8 ppm of FC... And I suspect you are not running at 100% output. :scratch:

Most pools use 2 to 4 ppm per day.

To make just 3 ppm per day, your needs to run 24/7 at 75% output. And.. 3 ppm may not be enough in your location.

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
Thanks folks. I didn't realize that I had to click a button to allow the Pool Math app to share, so I did that. Although it may not share historical data so may still not be visible.

But I did start running the SWCG at 100% a few weeks ago, and I'll leave it at that for the rest of the summer. It's good to know the math on how much chlorine is generated, and clearly (no pun intended!) I wasn't running it long enough. I will adjust the schedule for now, and when it comes time to replace the SWCG I'll get a bigger one.

One question about chlorine output, though. Jim, you say that the flow of water over the SWCG doesn't affect how much chlorine is being generated. I had some trouble wrapping my mind around that until I thought of it like this...tell me if my analogy is correct:

The SWCG is outputting chlorine at a rate consistent with its percentage setting. And this is based on a rate/time calculation. So if the VSP is pushing 1/2 the volume of water at low speed then high, then the relative concentration of the chlorine in that water is 2x.

That sounds logical now that you made me think it through, but it never hurts to confirm.

As always, great info...thanks!
 
Jeff,

Cells are either on "Full blast" or they are off...

At 100% output setting the cell is never shut off.

At 50% output setting the cell will only be on 50% of the time. Roughly.. if on for 10 hours, it will only make Chlorine for 5 hours.

At 10% output setting, the cell will on be on 10% of the time.. Roughly.. if on the 10 hours, it will only make Chlorine for 1 hour..

The exact number depends on the specific cell.. For my cell set at 50% the cell is on for 2.5 minutes and then off for 2.5 minutes. For other cells the cycle time is much different, but over a 24 hours period it will still average out to about 50% on and 50% off..

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
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