New to Pools, renovating/repairing abandoned pool?

BigTuna13

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Hello everyone, I am new to pools and this forum so if I am posting in the wrong section I can delete and move. I have never owned a pool before but always wanted one. My family and I are buying a home that has a pool but needs what appears to be a good bit of work. We are purchasing from an older woman who has let the pool go for what appears to be years. She did say the pump no longer works and is unsure about the heater. We do not close on the house until mid March but wanting to start formulating a game plan to get the pool functional.

I know the dimensions of the pool but unsure of the depth of the shallow end. From my measurements and assumptions I have determined the pool to be around 28,000 gallons (if 3' in shallow) or 31,000 gallons (if 4' in shallow end). I am purchasing new pump regardless and likely a new filter unless I open the old one up and is in better than expected shape.

The pool does have a spot or two where the liner has pulled away from the edging but the pool seems to hold water very well. I initially wanted to drain it and start fresh but from my initial research it sounds like draining could potentially damage the vinyl liner. I have also read that the old water might retain the cellular memory of teh swamp type features so I am not sure if the best approach is draining, at least partially or just treating the water and trying to remove the sediment once it falls. I would obviously try to get s much of the leaves or other objects out prior to chemicals.

Here is the basic for my plan of attack up to this point:

- remove all leaves, trash, etc.
- determine chemicals needed and treat ( I am assuming shock and flocculant).
- replace pump and potentially filter
- purchase and install a salt chlorinator
- (not too worried about heater, if it works great but if not we likely wont be replacing in the near future.)

I know I am probably in over my head at this point and I am willing to call a professional if needed but I always prefer doing things myself so I can better understand how they work and also to save money. I would greatly appreciate anyone's opinions even if it is to go get professional help. Thank you in advance.
 

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Oh Goodie! Another swamp to fix! :party:

Jergunn- this pool is far from the worst we've seen. Really!

As you are in Florida, emptying any pool entirely is a bit risky as your ground water is often high and that causes problems. For a liner pool the risk is making the liner shift, and it won't go back into proper position or it can tear. For a plaster pool it can actually float up out of the cement deck. The water is the weight that keeps the pool "down" against ground pressure.

Soooo....you can drain in a special way that refills at the same time, or you can drain in stages. Another option, and often very do-able is to fix the water you have. Much depends on initial water testing for chemistry levels.

Owners should always have a good water test kit. We only endorse two- the TF-100 or the Taylor K-2006C. They are similar in that they both use Taylor test reagents, but the TF-100 has more of the test reagents for the tests you'll do more often.
You can buy the TF-100 at www.tftestkits.net and the Taylor K-2006C can be found elsewhere online.

Once you can test that swamp water you should share the deets with us.... we'll help you see what you've got going on.

The pump needs replacement for sure. Look at dual speed or VS 3hp pumps- a 3hp pump gives you a lot of power *available* but you can run at minimal rates 24/7 and save a ton of money compared to single speed pumps.

Take some pics of the equipment labels or just close ups so we can see everything.

Ask more questions...'k?

Maddie :flower:
 
Here is the basic for my plan of attack up to this point:

- remove all leaves, trash, etc.
- determine chemicals needed and treat ( I am assuming shock and flocculant).
- replace pump and potentially filter
- purchase and install a salt chlorinator
- (not too worried about heater, if it works great but if not we likely wont be replacing in the near future.)

I know I am probably in over my head at this point
Welcome to TFP! You’ve got this with the experienced help you will/can receive here. All mods are volunteer pool owners helping other pool owners.

Congrats on your new pool home! So to get started, your plan is a little out of order. 1) You will need to source in advance the liquid chlorine (shock). You will need many gallons to start. In FL, I believe, there are Pinch a Penny stores where you can buy liquid chlorine. Big box stores, too. Do not let them test your pool water, they will try to sell you items that you don’t need. 2) Remove leaves and debris that has settled on the bottom. No flocculant. 3) You need a new variable speed pump (VSP) and a working filter to clear the algae out of the pool. A SWG is down the line after you’re up and running. SWGs are great for maintaining sanitizing levels but can not clear the algae. The heater is well after all of this. Most importantly as Maddie highly recommended, get one of the reliable recommended test kit. Good luck
 
More advice --> STAY OUT OF THE POOL STORE! THEY WILL MESS YOU UP AND TAKE YOUR CASH WITH A SMILE.

Reading--> ABCs of Pool Water Chemistry
SLAM Process
PoolMath
FC/CYA Levels
Thank you so much for the advice Maddie and detailed response. I appreciate the help. I prefer to fix the water, but wasn't sure if that was possible. I am glad to hear it is!

We are a few weeks from closing but if I get a chance to see the house again prior to I will get a water sample and I am going to order those test today!

I am digging through the forums and searching online now. DO you have a SWG brand you prefer or any that I should absolutely avoid?
 
Welcome to TFP! You’ve got this with the experienced help you will/can receive here. All mods are volunteer pool owners helping other pool owners.

Congrats on your new pool home! So to get started, your plan is a little out of order. 1) You will need to source in advance the liquid chlorine (shock). You will need many gallons to start. In FL, I believe, there are Pinch a Penny stores where you can buy liquid chlorine. Big box stores, too. Do not let them test your pool water, they will try to sell you items that you don’t need. 2) Remove leaves and debris that has settled on the bottom. No flocculant. 3) You need a new variable speed pump (VSP) and a working filter to clear the algae out of the pool. A SWG is down the line after you’re up and running. SWGs are great for maintaining sanitizing levels but can not clear the algae. The heater is well after all of this. Most importantly as Maddie highly recommended, get one of the reliable recommended test kit. Good luck
Thank you an1vrsy for the reply. I am planning on ordering the equipment once we get closer to closing (pump, filter, and SWG). I will hold off on installing the SWG per your suggestion until I the pool is back in usable condition.

I am very appreciative of all the advice. I was worried I was asking for too much help but thank you for getting me pointed in the right direction.
 
I do have a SWG- best things ever for pools!! :goodjob: Mine is not sold any more but most of the big brands are good.
Here is a good place to compare- www.discountsaltpool.com

The MOST important thing to know is you want to size the cell device to be at least 2x the volume of your pool. THat way you can use the cell the least and help it last the longest. My first cell was 3x my pool volume and lasted over 9 years.
 
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I am going to put these here to sort of keep up with the process and allow for more input. I am not ordering anything yet because I am not sure of what all I have, but I do know for sure I will need a new pump. I am going to dismantle the filter and see if it appears to be in decent shape before replacing.

So far here are the parts I am considering. I am trying to not overspend but the prices on these relative to the other pumps and SWG's have me slightly concerned about quality. I initially wanted to go with the Circupool RJ45 before I realized I needed 2x my pool's volume and didn't really want to spend $2,000 on the RJ60.

Pool pump: Calimar 3HP VS: CaliMar Variable Speed Pool Pump | 3HP | CMARVSP3.0

SWG: CompuPool CPX48: Compu Pool CPX48 Salt Chlorine Generator System | 60,000 Gallons | 2-Year Warranty
 
More thoughts- we normally don't want to test stagnant water, as the water chems may not be evenly distributed. Since your pump isn't working the levels may not be as accurate as we would like to see.
If there is any way you can mix up the water some- perhaps with a big broom and elbow grease? or a sump pump redistributing the water?

 
More thoughts- we normally don't want to test stagnant water, as the water chems may not be evenly distributed. Since your pump isn't working the levels may not be as accurate as we would like to see.
If there is any way you can mix up the water some- perhaps with a big broom and elbow grease? or a sump pump redistributing the water?

Thanks Yippee very good point. I do have a sump pump I can use to recirculate the water but I wouldn't be able to do that until after closing, but that's only 3 weeks away. I may try stirring as you suggested if I can get there prior to closing and test that way.

My kids did find at least 10-15 frogs in the pool. Hopefully they decide to move on once I start circulating the water before I get to the chemical adding stages.
 
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Okay kinda young to be brushing the pool maybe? Lots of young kids learn basic chemistry helping with pool testing though.

At the bottom of this page on my laptop is a great help for figuring out the volume of pools-
At the bottom of that page is a "Pool Volume Estimator" section. Could be helpful to you. :)
 
Its been a minute since we had an abandoned Swamp to Oasis! When u get ready to begin we’ll be right here. Also did we mention we ❤️ Pics 📸 !
So… Necessities to start attack -aka- SLAM Process—>
#1 Test kit - Tf100 w/ XL option
#2 secure at least 10gallons of liquid chlorine & have a reliable source for more
#3 functional pump & filter
#4 peripherals for debris removal - pole, net, vac head, hose
#5 elbow grease
#6 patience pants 👖🤣
The rest can be worked out as u go.
& Plz - no floc 😱 It just makes your mess, well, more of a mess .
 
Hello everyone, I posted in the construction section about my future pool but thought I might come here for equipment recommendations. We are closing on the house next Friday and I'd like to get the pump, filter, and swg on order.

I know for sure the pump doesn't work and no telling when the filter was even ran but I want to replace it with a cartridge or sand filter. I have a pump in mind and swg. I'll post those below but I am having trouble figuring out the size and type of filter? What would you guys recommend regarding the filter? Also please feel free to critique any of my set up or ideas. I'll include a couple pictures of the current condition. I have never owned a pool before so feel free to talk to me like a child when explaining 🤣

Thank you in advance for any help.

The pool is right at 30,000 gallons. I'm considering this pump: CaliMar Variable Speed Pool Pump | 3HP | CMARVSP3.0

Here is the SWG: Compu Pool CPX48 Salt Chlorine Generator System | 60,000 Gallons | 2-Year Warranty
 

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I like that idea. I was just nervous about the DE Filter, but mainly because I've never looked into them before
Instead of cleaning up that pool with a brand new filter, I would at least sick all that crud on the old one first. Then, after it's all cleaned up nice and sparkling, you will know if want to manage that filter or a different one.
 
I am skeptical that the Compu Pool CPX48 SWG is really for a 60K pool. And the 2 year warranty says they don't think the cell will last long.


Lists the CPX48 as having CL Power of 1.28 lbs/day which is less then some other 40K cells.

Caveat Emptor!

Also selecting the Calimar VSP says you never plan to have any pool automation.
 
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So…I clicked on those equipment links and also got the “too good to be true” feeling from those prices and the advertised gallon rating. Does anyone know if that online site is a legit retailer?

I sure don’t want to rain on a parade but….just looking out
 
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