New Construction Started - Willis, TX (north of Houston)

Returns make no sense because the basin would just overflow.

A suction makes sense, but I would not do suction or return to the filter pump.
Copy that. Gunite has been delayed until Wednesday so the PM will be out tomorrow a.m. to install the negative edge returns/channel drains (which the manufacturer has told the PB they are okay to use as returns). I have a list of things to discuss and those returns to the basin is one item.
 
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I don't see any reason to put returns in the basin.

You can put a main drain suction that goes to the filter pump so that the filter pump can periodically pull from the basin, but I don't see any reason for that.
It just dawned me, although it doesn't seem to be the same reasoning the PB has, that I will be losing a lot of water due to evaporation over the weir wall to simply circulate the basin water. It's just June and temps in my neck of the woods are hovering around the century mark in the afternoon and it'll stay that way at least through late September. So, maybe there is a method to the madness in terms of circulating the basin through the main pump. I'm not sure how much I can actually save by bypassing the weir but any amount is beneficial.
 
You don't want stagnant water in the lines, pump and filter.

I would just run the pump once a day for maybe 5 minutes.

The sheer pump should also run 5 minutes per day to keep the lines clear or bacterial biofilms can build up as the chlorine drops to zero.

How will the filter pump switch to suction and return for the basin?

Are you going to have an autofill?

If yes, where will it be placed?
 
How will the filter pump switch to suction and return for the basin?
This is what I need clarification on. I've learned it is not a good idea to have two pumps pulling from the same line at the same time. I suppose if the purpose is to solely circulate the water in both the basin and pool, only the filter pump would be in operation. However IF the main drain and basin drain is teed together both pumps would be pulling from the same line when the negative edge pump is in operation since the drain lines are teed together. Not good. I guess if the lines teed together at the pump, a 3-way valve could be used but then the line has to reduce to 2.5" and that defeats the purpose of having a 3" drain connection at the pump. To be honest, I'm not sure the PB will have the answers. That's why this forum is so very valuable.
Are you going to have an autofill?

If yes, where will it be placed?
Yes, it will be in the basin and will either be connected to an irrigation zone or directly to a spigot/valve.
 
I would just run the pump once a day for maybe 5 minutes.
Every pump will run every day. The water feature will run a short while if the pool is not being used - 5 minutes or so. How long the negative edge pump will run will depend on if/how the filter pump will recirculate the water to/from the basin. I envision the filter pump running a few to several hours a day. @BigPapaSmurf who is quite knowledgeable and I've gotten to know, runs his negative edge and filter pumps 24/7/365. I'll probably find a happy medium.
 
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I would not tie the filter pump into the infinity edge plumbing.
Stop the press. The PM has advised that the drawing was mislabeled. The returns to the basin are actually "circulation basin" returns and will be on the same loop as the negative edge returns to the pool. There will be a 3-way valve diverting flow to the basin or to the pool.
 
You will need to add an extra check valve on the pool return line after the T so that water cannot back siphon to the basin from the pool.

I don’t see the point of using a basin return.

All you get is filtration with no chlorination.

By using the infinity edge, the basin fills with chlorinated water from the pool.
 
if your pool is going to be 27k gallons, you may want to consider getting the IC60 instead of IC40. It's typically recommended on here to get a cell rated for 2x your pool volume at least.
I made an error on my calcs. Gotta remember to convert cf to gallons! My estimate is now around ~23,500 Gal. The PB has agreed to swap an IC60 in place of the IC 40.
 
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Getting way too complicated and the chlorine would probably go too high.

The point of getting an infinity edge is to run it sometimes.

Seems like an awful lot of effort being made to avoid using something that was made to be used.

What is the point of having an infinity edge if you don’t want to run it?

By running the infinity edge, it also helps keep the pool water level correct because the autofill is in the basin.
 
Getting way too complicated and the chlorine would probably go too high.

The point of getting an infinity edge is to run it sometimes.

Seems like an awful lot of effort being made to avoid using something that was made to be used.

What is the point of having an infinity edge if you don’t want to run it?

By running the infinity edge, it also helps keep the pool water level correct because the autofill is in the basin.
All valid points, as well. The first one was in the back of my mind and concerned me a bit. I guess it would like having two different bodies of water of vastly different sizes being treated chemically the same. While I definitely want and plan on using the edge, I was enamored with the idea that I could avoid losing a lot of water due to evaporation while save on operating costs. Best laid plans of mice & men...
There seems to be more reasons not to go with a basin return system than to opt for one. The edification continues.
 
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Please advise why it's better to have a dedicated suction line versus pulling from the main drain. Tks.

I have a VS (Jandy e-Pump) that runs all of my water features.( Waterfall, 3 deck jets, 2 bubblers, and waterfall sheer from the spa). It has it 's own lines and even on low RPM's all the features operate perfectly fine. If i want more effect, then cranking it up is easy.

Your main pump can probably handle 1 light feature in conjunction with filtering, more than that would reduce efficiency.
 
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6/15 - Day 13
Gunite Day 1 (1.5-2 days are estimated). Crew started the application shortly after 1:00 p.m. and worked until ~5:00. Shot the footing, basin floor and some of the sun shelf. Will start the floor early tomorrow a.m.
 

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I would put a check valve between the filter pump and the filter
Please advise whether this makes sense and what may be needed or not needed. I based this off input received by someone in the industry.
 

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Yes to putting a check valve between the pump and filter.

The SWG can go before the 3-way Intellivalve because the SWG can be set to a different percentage in pool mode or spa mode, but where you show it is fine too; it depends on how you want to operate.

If the SWG is only on the Pool line, the percentage in Spa mode has to be Zero.

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The SWG can go before the 3-way Intellivalve because the SWG can be set to a different percentage in pool mode or spa mode
I haven't done enough homework regarding how I want to operate the spa. It seems I would be back in the same situation (basin returns) by having the SWG in the last location in terms of circulating the same water and not providing fresh chlorinated water. I have no idea how to adjust the SWG when going from pool to spa mode. The spa is a small body of water, therefore needs less chlorination? I'm sure there's a science to it.
 

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