New Build in Manteca, CA (CA Central Valley) - Our first pool

JManteca

Gold Supporter
Mar 4, 2014
13
California Central Valley
Good evening.
I have been on this forum for quite a while now. I have spent many hours reading and learning about all the various issues related to pool building and ownership. The information here has provided tremendous value to me and my wife. I am thankful that I found this place. Thank you all so much!!!

After exhaustive research, we have decided to move forward with our pool build. We are still very early in the process (we have done homework only). We have some sketches of what we would like and I have a pretty detailed cost breakdown of the features we’d like.

ryan-california reached out to me and offered some great advice as well and has been a valuable resource.

I wanted to post our concept project on here to get some critiques and advice before we move any further. Please feel free to comment on anything and everything.

Below is the current sketch that I will be using to get some pricing and advice from the two PB that I have short listed.

Family profile:

My wife and I are in our early 40’s. We have 5 kids (4 daughters and a son) girls’ ages 13, 12, 10, & 8; and my boy is almost 3. All of girls are active in sports. They always want me to play catch, volleyball, basketball, or jump on the trampoline. I love this and want to fan the flame of their enjoyment of sports and outdoor activity.

We live in Manteca, California (60 miles south of Sacramento and 40 miles east of the SF bay area). The weather is nice year round, but quite hot in the summer. We currently play outside in the spring and fall, but in the summer, we only play outside in the late evenings (just too darn hot during the day).

I believe in the “Cost-Influence Curve of Construction.” If you are not familiar with the term, google it.

The pool is part of our backyard master plan that we have been working on for a number of years. We are excited to start implementing it!

Project Goals:

1) Create a backyard that can be utilized year-round to keep our family active. Spring/Summer/Fall is swimming. Fall/Winter/Spring basketball and volleyball.
2) Create a backyard atmosphere that will draw us outside.
3) Create ‘hang out’ areas in both the pool and other areas of the yard for us and our guests to enjoy more intimate conversations and connecting.
4) The space should be as low maintenance as possible as both my wife and I are very busy. I am not a yardwork kind of guy. So I will likely farm out as much maintenance as I can. With that said, I read all the sticky notes on the pool maintenance forum, so I know that I will have to do some work (daily testing, sweeping, etc.)
5) The pool should be beautiful, but not at the expense of reducing quality.
6) The design and construction process should minimize the collateral damage between my wife and I. Spending this much money is stressful. So far we are managing it well. I want to set us up for success as much as possible which means lots of open communication.

Here are the current specs, let me know these any of these do not align with our goals or if you have recommendations in the areas where I have not yet selected anything:

1) Hire a quality Pool Builder who is willing to get down into the nuts and bolts of all of the details in this process. Thought about OB for a while, but decided on the PB route per Goal 6 above.
2) Size: 38’-6” x 20’ +/- free form, 104 LF and 608 sf
3) Depth: 3’-6” to 6’-6”
4) Tanning Shelf: split level, upper is 4’x8’ @ 3” to 4” water depth (room for two chairs), the lower level is 8’x7’ @ 10” to 12” water depth (room for two more chairs); (2) umbrella sleeves. I have not seen a split level tanning shelf and would love some feedback. This solves the problem of “what depth to make the tanning shelf” per Goal 6
5) Spa: 8’ Diameter Circular – Raised 18” with 24” Spillway
6) Plaster: WetEdge Premera: I would like a different color on the tanning shelf than the rest of the pool. One of the PB’s I talked to said that it would require a cold joint between the colors and that he advised against it. Would love some feedback on this.
7) Waterline: 6” Tile
8) Coping: Stone or Paver
9) Pool/Spa Heating: We desire 85 to 90 degrees in the pool for as much of the year as possible for my 5 women (wife and 4 daughters). Gas heating and solar heating – no product selected. I have a 6’x20’ area for solar collectors. Is this enough? I could try to stretch the area to 6’x30’ but then I start to conflict with Goal 6 above.
10) Cover: need some input. Heat retention is important to me.
11) Pumps: not selected
12) Valves/Controls: not selected
13) Filter: not selected
14) Lighting: no idea…
15) Cleaning system: In pool cleaning: PV3 or equivalent. I like the low maintenance aspect if it works properly. Read several posts were customers had trouble. So still not sure about this.
16) Additional Cleaning: Paramount O3 and UV Sanitizer: I like the idea of this. Anyone use it?
17) Slide – Looking at Paradise Slides – PS17 or PS27 (Residential Water Slides for In Ground Swimming Pools) or the Dolphin Slides equivalent. Would love some feedback on this. We will incorporate a rock or water feature. I will attach a photo or two of what we are thinking.
18) Decking: Pavers around the pool, then stamped and stained concrete around the rest of the yard.
19) Grass – Would love artificial turf, but just too costly. I got 2 quotes at $12.50/sf. We will likely do natural grass.
20) Other elements:
a. Basketball court will be either painted/striped concrete or possibly sports court tiles.
b. Volleyball court is half on the concrete and half in the grass. Not sure if this will work or not.
c. Deck around the spa will have a fire pit and TV.


17-04-17 Backyard Master Plan.jpg17-04-17 Pool Area 1.jpg
 

gwegan

TFP Expert
Apr 19, 2013
2,769
Sacramento, CA
Welcome to TFP!!!

Some thoughts

1. If you go with a PB then that will govern your equipment. They sell the brand they distribute. I would buck that on the heater and go fo a raypak however.

3 while the shape may be free form I suggest you think about a sport pool 4 5.5. 4. I think you may like that better. The slide will still work

4 I. don't think you will like that shallow a tanning shelf.

6. This is asking for a problem.

9. The solar season is April to late September depending on panel orientation with panels at least 1/2 the size of the pool

10. Fancy covers don't work that much better than cheap covers

11 and 12 selected by PB When you choose the builder you choose the brand

15. Robots. Son, robots. With that many kids and infloor. I think you won't be happy.

16 will have little if any affect on you pool. Will remove money from checking account. The sun provides all the uv your pool needs to break down combined chlormines. These are great profit centers for pool builders that do little for you.

So strap in, climb on enjoy the ride and post some pictures, we like pictures.
 

JManteca

Gold Supporter
Mar 4, 2014
13
California Central Valley
Welcome to TFP!!!
1. If you go with a PB then that will govern your equipment. They sell the brand they distribute. I would buck that on the heater and go fo a raypak however.
3 while the shape may be free form I suggest you think about a sport pool 4 5.5. 4. I think you may like that better. The slide will still work
4 I. don't think you will like that shallow a tanning shelf.
6. This is asking for a problem.
9. The solar season is April to late September depending on panel orientation with panels at least 1/2 the size of the pool
10. Fancy covers don't work that much better than cheap covers
11 and 12 selected by PB When you choose the builder you choose the brand
15. Robots. Son, robots. With that many kids and infloor. I think you won't be happy.
16 will have little if any affect on you pool. Will remove money from checking account. The sun provides all the uv your pool needs to break down combined chlormines. These are great profit centers for pool builders that do little for you.
So strap in, climb on enjoy the ride and post some pictures, we like pictures.

Thanks for the comments:
3. Sport Pool: We talked about a sport pool. The reason that we decided to have a deep end was because the kids really wanted one. Maybe we should rethink this. I would love hear you expand more on this.
4. Tanning shelf depth: Maybe a 6" and 12"? Or abandon the split and go with a 10"?
6. Two different plasters: What are the risks here? Please unpack this a little more for me.
9. Solar heating panel size: Thanks, I will see if I can get more square footage.
10. Covers: Thanks for the tip!
15. In pool cleaner: I won't be happy due to breaking the heads or because they hurt your feet? I have asked one of my potential PB to show me a system. He said that he will set me up with a past client so that I can see and feel one. I'll let you know my impression. The arguments I have read on here against these systems were mostly due to installation/functioning issues. Are there other negatives? Robots, huh? I'll try to read more about them.
16. UV Sanitizer: Thanks for the tip! Good point about the sun providing this!
 

gwegan

TFP Expert
Apr 19, 2013
2,769
Sacramento, CA
In my somewhat limited experience active families with sport pools use them more. My neighbor moved from a sport pool to one with a deep end and they did not use the pool as much. You can discharge a slide in to 4.5 feet of water.

Tanning ledge I would say 6 inch minimum. But this is personal preference. With six inch tiles that means your tile line has 3 inches under water. Go from there. Lieing on the chase lounge do you want to be partially submerged or not -- or have a choice -- its up to you.

Generally plaster is applied and then the pool is filled immediately. Especially in a hot central valley summer. Its just very difficult to apply two different colors next to each other without allowing one to dry first. Finding a plaster contractor who has done this might be difficult. Call Burkett's they are probably the most experienced in the area. Ask them. I may be all wrong here.

Solar. Orientation is probably more important than area if you want the max extension of the season. Because of trees I have some north facing panels so I don't set the season extension I should.

With an active pool crew you are not going to run the cleaning system while they are in the pool. The consensus on here is that yes most of these systems work but they tend to become less effective over time and are hard to maintain and repair. Robots do a better job and cost much less to run. Plus you are a PG&E customer why do you want to run your pump to clean your pool. Most folks filter their pool too much anyway.

The TFP consensus is clear, other than indoor pools UV and Ozone add little if anything to normally used residential pools. If your pool has 20 or 30 people in it every weekend they may provide some help but in a normally used residential pool they add little benefit and UV actually breaks down chlorine.
 

bmoreswim

Mod Squad
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Jul 16, 2012
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Central MD
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I'll follow back up later with some pool comments, since the is Troublefreepool.com. But I have to share that I can't recommend this hoop enough. We have had the Pro Dunk Platinum installed for 7 years now. With the exception of the pole padding (mostly the base piece) showing weathering, it could pass for 1 year old. SO impressed with this product. If you are retired NBA, then get the Diamond. Our paver court is 30' x 30' with a college three-point line. You can see it in my build thread on pages 1, 2 and 7. Page 8 shows our pool hoop which I also am a big fan of.

https://www.produnkhoops.com/basketball_goals/adjustable_in_ground/compare.php

21) SWCG. Possibly the single best maintenance reduction product for pools - robots are number two in my book. Are you planning on one?
 

JManteca

Gold Supporter
Mar 4, 2014
13
California Central Valley
I'll follow back up later with some pool comments, since the is Troublefreepool.com. But I have to share that I can't recommend this hoop enough. We have had the Pro Dunk Platinum installed for 7 years now. With the exception of the pole padding (mostly the base piece) showing weathering, it could pass for 1 year old. SO impressed with this product. If you are retired NBA, then get the Diamond. Our paver court is 30' x 30' with a college three-point line. You can see it in my build thread on pages 1, 2 and 7. Page 8 shows our pool hoop which I also am a big fan of.

https://www.produnkhoops.com/basketball_goals/adjustable_in_ground/compare.php

21) SWCG. Possibly the single best maintenance reduction product for pools - robots are number two in my book. Are you planning on one?
SWCG: One of the PB I was talking to said that SWCG does not work well in central CA due to hot weather. Is this correct?
Robot: Yes, looking into that in lieu of the inpool cleaning system.
Hoop: YES, we are planning on that exact hoop! Glad to hear you like it. And it's on sale right now. I will check out your thread. Thanks!!!
 

bmoreswim

Mod Squad
Gold Supporter
Platinum Supporter
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Jul 16, 2012
6,814
Central MD
Pool Size
27000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
SWCG: One of the PB I was talking to said that SWCG does not work well in central CA due to hot weather. Is this correct? Patently false. Sized properly they will do the job wonderfully. For you pool that means get the largest size your brand of equipment offers.
Robot: Yes, looking into that in lieu of the inpool cleaning system. Can't wait to see mine in regular action.
Hoop: YES, we are planning on that exact hoop! Glad to hear you like it. And it's on sale right now. I will check out your thread. Thanks!!!It is such a piece of quality construction. I recommend the Weather Guard or whatever the stainless steel option is. Though you are drier than we are.

See above...
 

ryan-california

Gold Supporter
Apr 11, 2017
261
modesto ca
I second the sport pool - we debated long and hard about it. I'm adding volleyball net holders to our deck :). Pool volleyball here we come.

Swcg - I'm going to wait (Modesto) for a bit to see if I need one. My builder isn't a fan, scale issues - but he lives in the country and Escalon water is not as clean as Modesto.

Solar - totally. Gas is a waste. Make sure orientation is good. South facing roof is best.

Two level shelf sounds cool - i would stick with one color plaster, maybe use tile for extra bling if that is what you are going for.


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