Hi, first time posting here looking for some help to trouble shoot a problem.
In summary, this is a property I just purchased and so everything is new to me, and I do not have any prior experience in dealing with pool equipment, but am handy and know my way around home repairs, plumbing and electrical. Basically I had some leak(s) and after fixing those leaks my pump no longer seem to prime.
My apologies if the post is too long. It may take some explanations and pictures to clearly illustrate my situation.
Existing conditions: I have an in-ground pool and a separate spa, and the pump and piping are working for both. The pump is on an Intermatic timer and runs from 8am to 4pm daily and didn't have a problem for the few weeks I have owned the property. Recently I noticed a slow leak on the outlet joint of the pump, where a 1.5" male adapter threads into the pump.
Now to fix this leak is not a big deal, just need to cut the pipe above it and tighten the male adapter and remake two joints. But after looking at the entire plumbing, I concluded that I need to take care of a few things at the same time.
Here are some additional pictures of the entire setup from different angles.
As you can see, and hopefully agree, that there are some issues.
(1) Both the pump and the filter next to it, are buried under leaves and dirt. The pictures you see here, are the ones taken AFTER I cleared most of the leaves out. At the time, I didn't know the bottom of the pump and filter were strangled in tree roots as well.
(2) Between the pump and the suction side manifold, there is no exposed piping. In other words there is no easy way to disconnect the pump for service or replacement.
(3) I have a leak at the outlet joint of the pump.
So my plan was to redo the outlet connection to the pump, raise the pump, raise the filter, and put a union on each side of the pump to allow for future disconnect.
The first problem I ran into was the pump and filter had lots of tree roots enveloping them, and clearing them was a real pain. Second problem is since there is no exposed piping between the pump and the manifold, the only way I can disconnect the pump is to excavate enough roots and dirt from under the pump so that I can rotate the super heavy pump in reverse to save the male threaded fitting. Despite all that I was able to do that and here are some pictures of the revised outlet side plumbing.
I put some blocks under the pump to raise it about 12". I also put some stepping stones to raise the filter about 3". During the process to excavate the pump and filter's bottom I found another leak coming from the drain plug of the filter. It was loose and it was losing water much faster then the pump's outlet joint. The leak caused the dirt there to be all mushy and I believe attracted all the roots towards it.
So far I fixed two leaks. I then turned the pump back on after all the new joints had 12 hours to set. The existing leaks are gone, a new leak developed on the return side (more on that later). The pump runs and I noticed it seems to take longer for it to prime but it did prime after a few minutes. I declared victory and problem solved (or so I thought).
A day later I was reading about some pool maintenance blogs and ran into an article that says you should never, ever have a 90 elbow into the pump inlet side. Oh oh...that's exactly what I did. Not one, but two as I needed to raise the pump off the ground, and I inserted two 90s to offset the pump higher. So my question #1...did I make things worse by doing what I did? Do I need to take it apart and redo everything differently?
Another day gone by and I noticed a new leak on the return line. I say new leak only because it's one I may not have noticed before. I don't think it was leaking because I looked and touched all the pipes and joints when I recon the system the first time around, but now I am not 100% sure. The leak occurs where there is a "loop" between the pool return line and the spa return line. I also do not know the purpose of this loop. Let me see if I can illustrate the loop in these pictures. Here is a picture of the overall system.
Here is the same picture, where I traced the return line in green lines. As you can see, the return line runs into a Jandy 3 port valve then splits into the pool line on the left and the spa line to the right. But before those two lines enters the ground, there is a tee from each and the two are connected via a U shaped loop (in orange color). I have no idea what that loop is for.
Here is a picture of just the loop. From the pool return line, a tee. The tee then goes into a ball valve (which is always in a CLOSED position), then it turns around into a check valve (with a flow direction going to the spa line). My question #2...any idea what this loop between the pool and spa lines is for, with a ball valve and a check valve it seems to be deliberate?
At the inlet to the ball valve, connected to the pool return line, is another leak. It looks like someone had attempted to fix it before, as I can see some putty like substance all over it.
It seems I have reached a limit of ten images and I still need to add more illustrations. So I will continue with the next post. Thank you for bearing with my long post.
In summary, this is a property I just purchased and so everything is new to me, and I do not have any prior experience in dealing with pool equipment, but am handy and know my way around home repairs, plumbing and electrical. Basically I had some leak(s) and after fixing those leaks my pump no longer seem to prime.
My apologies if the post is too long. It may take some explanations and pictures to clearly illustrate my situation.
Existing conditions: I have an in-ground pool and a separate spa, and the pump and piping are working for both. The pump is on an Intermatic timer and runs from 8am to 4pm daily and didn't have a problem for the few weeks I have owned the property. Recently I noticed a slow leak on the outlet joint of the pump, where a 1.5" male adapter threads into the pump.
Now to fix this leak is not a big deal, just need to cut the pipe above it and tighten the male adapter and remake two joints. But after looking at the entire plumbing, I concluded that I need to take care of a few things at the same time.
Here are some additional pictures of the entire setup from different angles.
As you can see, and hopefully agree, that there are some issues.
(1) Both the pump and the filter next to it, are buried under leaves and dirt. The pictures you see here, are the ones taken AFTER I cleared most of the leaves out. At the time, I didn't know the bottom of the pump and filter were strangled in tree roots as well.
(2) Between the pump and the suction side manifold, there is no exposed piping. In other words there is no easy way to disconnect the pump for service or replacement.
(3) I have a leak at the outlet joint of the pump.
So my plan was to redo the outlet connection to the pump, raise the pump, raise the filter, and put a union on each side of the pump to allow for future disconnect.
The first problem I ran into was the pump and filter had lots of tree roots enveloping them, and clearing them was a real pain. Second problem is since there is no exposed piping between the pump and the manifold, the only way I can disconnect the pump is to excavate enough roots and dirt from under the pump so that I can rotate the super heavy pump in reverse to save the male threaded fitting. Despite all that I was able to do that and here are some pictures of the revised outlet side plumbing.
I put some blocks under the pump to raise it about 12". I also put some stepping stones to raise the filter about 3". During the process to excavate the pump and filter's bottom I found another leak coming from the drain plug of the filter. It was loose and it was losing water much faster then the pump's outlet joint. The leak caused the dirt there to be all mushy and I believe attracted all the roots towards it.
So far I fixed two leaks. I then turned the pump back on after all the new joints had 12 hours to set. The existing leaks are gone, a new leak developed on the return side (more on that later). The pump runs and I noticed it seems to take longer for it to prime but it did prime after a few minutes. I declared victory and problem solved (or so I thought).
A day later I was reading about some pool maintenance blogs and ran into an article that says you should never, ever have a 90 elbow into the pump inlet side. Oh oh...that's exactly what I did. Not one, but two as I needed to raise the pump off the ground, and I inserted two 90s to offset the pump higher. So my question #1...did I make things worse by doing what I did? Do I need to take it apart and redo everything differently?
Another day gone by and I noticed a new leak on the return line. I say new leak only because it's one I may not have noticed before. I don't think it was leaking because I looked and touched all the pipes and joints when I recon the system the first time around, but now I am not 100% sure. The leak occurs where there is a "loop" between the pool return line and the spa return line. I also do not know the purpose of this loop. Let me see if I can illustrate the loop in these pictures. Here is a picture of the overall system.
Here is the same picture, where I traced the return line in green lines. As you can see, the return line runs into a Jandy 3 port valve then splits into the pool line on the left and the spa line to the right. But before those two lines enters the ground, there is a tee from each and the two are connected via a U shaped loop (in orange color). I have no idea what that loop is for.
Here is a picture of just the loop. From the pool return line, a tee. The tee then goes into a ball valve (which is always in a CLOSED position), then it turns around into a check valve (with a flow direction going to the spa line). My question #2...any idea what this loop between the pool and spa lines is for, with a ball valve and a check valve it seems to be deliberate?
At the inlet to the ball valve, connected to the pool return line, is another leak. It looks like someone had attempted to fix it before, as I can see some putty like substance all over it.
It seems I have reached a limit of ten images and I still need to add more illustrations. So I will continue with the next post. Thank you for bearing with my long post.
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. I was hitting my head against the wall there.