My cloudy pool

Aug 17, 2017
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Plano, TX
I feel like we only talk when I have a problem. ;)

Like many others that have posted recently, I have been fighting cloudy water for over a month. Currently doing a SLAM but have some other questions that may relate to my problem. My logs including my notes are at PoolMath Logs. The most recent note are recommendations from the contractor that did plaster/tile/coping last October.

Had algae problem mid-May. Super-chlorinated and thought we got it under control. But then it got cloudy. Cleaned the old filter cartridges - dirtier than I've ever seen. Didn't seem to help. Soaked cartridges in strong chlorine solution in case algae was in them; no change. Soaked cartridges in strong muriatic acid solution - no change. Tried clarifier - no change.

Bought new Poolpure filter cartridges. Started clearing up. Applied more clarifier. Pool cleared up in a couple days. Got in it for first time since pool was redone. Relief.

Not so fast. Eight days later it started clouding up again. Cleaned the new cartridges. Tried more clarifier. Now SLAMming. Slight improvement because now we can see the bottom but it is still very cloudy.

These Poolpure filters are not a snug fit with the manifolds. Just slide right in. When I replaced with genuine Hayward in the past, it was a little work to get the manifolds into the new cartridges so I'm confident it was sealed well. I'm concerned that the seal is not good with these and water is bypassing the filter material. Any opinions on this brand? I'm considering returning these (I still have a few days) and buying genuine Hayward.

Might there be any residual effects of adding clarifier? I know TFP recommends avoiding clarifier, but I cannot figure out why the water is cloudy and the hypothesis of particulate matter smaller than filter sounds credible.

The contractor recommended shocking with cal hypo once per week so we bought a bucket of 65%. I've used it in the past with no issues. This particular bucket was made in India. It has been suggested that the filler in that may be contributing to the cloudiness. But we haven't used that very much, mainly using liquid chlorine. Could that cal hypo be a problem?

We've also been using ScaleTec and PhosFree since the replaster per the contractror's recommdendations.

The contractor received advice from a colleague who recommended Orenda PR-10000 as a phosphate "remover." I know TFP does not recommend anti-phosphate additives and I"m reluctant to put anything else into the pool water at this point.

Any feedback is greatly appreciated.

Lloyd
 
Tried clarifier

Applied more clarifier.

Tried more clarifier.

I know TFP recommends avoiding clarifier

ScaleTec and PhosFree
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None of your tests show you even close to SLAM level FC of 16.

You have added a multitude of pool store potions. Nearly all can create fine particulates that will cloud pool water. Why? There is no need for any of them. You must make a decision, follow TFPC, or follow the pool store.
 
I'm drinking the Kool-Aid but...

Pouring a bunch of liquid chlorine in daily. Drops some overnight and looks a little clearer, charge it back up. Drops a lot during the day and looks cloudier. Charge it up. And the pH continues to rise to about 8.0 and needs to be reduced. By the way, when liquid chlorine is added, it actually clouds up when it mixes with the pool water. What's up with that?

I've had the PoolMath app and test kit and have been using the TFP methodology since 2017. Haven't stepped in a pool store since. We have had the pool for 24 years and haven't an issue like this ever before, including the 17 years before finding TFP. And much has changed in the last nine months. I am no pool professional but consider myself smarter than the average bear - and I'm trying to understand what is happening chemically. Organic chemistry is tough.

We had the pool resurfaced in 2020 by someone who turned out to be a yahoo who has gone out of business. My problems are documented elsewhere. Another contractor resurfaced again last year. Among other problems, he said that the plaster he took out was scaled over, and it was certainly more white than the original blue. He prescribed the ScaleTec to prevent scaling on the surface he put in as well as the PhosFree to keep phosphates down to prevent algae. I trusted him to do the work; I was going to heed his advice. We followed his guidance for about seven months and hadn't seen a problem until May.

I tried the clarifier as an act of desperation. I knew I was going to admonished when I decided to post my problem. And I replaced old filter cartridges with off-brand cartridges (with fairly good reviews) to save a little bit. Second guessing that decision.

If the other additives are making the pool cloudy, then why is FC bouncing so much? If the off-brand cartridges are not sealing so water is going around them, why is FC bouncing? If it's live algae, why isn't superchlorinating killing it and showing more improvement? Could the sun be burning off the chlorine during the day? If so, why isn't the CYA stabilizing it better?

I appreciate and respect the advice. But I'm questioning if it's as simple as superchlorinating or if there is something else going on. It's just not adding up for me.

Respectfully,
Lloyd
 
One way to eliminate some of the questions is to drain the pool and refill with fresh.

FC is eliminated by organics or UV. So if CYA is much lower than you think, the FC can be consumed quicker by UV. Or it is organics.
 
Scrubbed the pool well Tuesday night, including the skimmer wells and the automatic chlorinator well. Finally, Wednesday evening the pool was much clearer but was still not holding the SLAM chlorine level. I had to add 12 cups of 10%. That clouded the water. Continuing to research my issue, I read that high pH can contribute to chlorine clouding the water and chlorine can raise pH. I was checking chlorine everyday but not pH. The pH had risen to 8.2 so I added acid. Within minutes, that started to clear the water. Happy that the pool was clear for entertaining on Independence Day. I don't think it's quite done as last night the chlorine level dropped from 20 (assuming it got to SLAM level after adding chlorine) to 18 this morning, but getting close.

I'm hoping that this re-establishes proper pool chemistry thus making maintenance easier. I would like to reduce the chlorine purchases and stop running the pump 24/7.

See before and after images below. The pump is running in the after image so surface reflections are worse.

Lloyd
 

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