Microscopic bug infestation - help!

just4747

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May 20, 2024
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Pool Size
12000
Surface
Vinyl
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
EDIT: I've discovered that this is actually a widespread microscopic bug issue! Please read thread!

Hi - I have a 12k gal pool with a Pentair DE filter, no main floor drain, a single wall skimmer port and 2 return jets (pool and equipment details in my profile). Everything is seemingly working normally, but I am starting to doubt that the suction and power is normal after observing it for a few months (new owners of house and pool since October). For reference, the filter starts at about 18ish PSI after filter was fully deep cleaned and re-coated with DE and has slowly crept up to around about 20 after 1-2 months of normal use (all seems normal to me).

The reason I am starting to wonder is that when I look into the skimmer port on the ground, the flow just doesn't look normal or strong enough to me (at least based on what I would expect). I see the slightest of rotation and a small whirlpool inside at times, but otherwise mostly still water. It doesn't really seem to suck down tiny particles - at least not often. I do have the return jets positioned how I thought it would work best - the one near the stairs (opposite end of skimmer port wall) is pointed slightly up and forward, and the jet right across from the skimmer is also pointed slightly up and forward towards the skimmer. These seem to create a slight rotation of the surface water, at least in some areas.

Larger debris does go down all the way into the skimmer basket (leaves, bugs, frogs, etc), but just the last couple of days, something must've gotten into the pool (or maybe something breaking down inside the filter or heater??) that has caused tons of very tiny debris - small gray looking particles, almost like pieces of many stickers or papers got saturated and broken up or something (watch the two videos below to see). For the past few days I still see many of these particles just circling all around the pool surface and in the skimmer port, like a lot of it. Skimming it is tough because the particles are so small so wanted to depend on the filter to get them, but it certainly isn't cleaning them fast if at all. How can I been clean this?

How can I tell if things are working properly for this size filter and setup? See the videos below I took quickly of the skimmer port and also this insane amount of tiny debris all over the pool. Can I maybe use the vacuum hose to clean the debris off the surface or will that not work because it'll be sucking some air? What can I do? Thanks.


 
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Your pump and skimmer look perfectly fine to me.

You should hardly see the water flow when looking into the skimmer.

The surface winds are more powerful then skimmer suction and if the wind is not blowing debris into the skimmer mouth it may not get there.
 
Your pump and skimmer look perfectly fine to me.

You should hardly see the water flow when looking into the skimmer.

The surface winds are more powerful then skimmer suction and if the wind is not blowing debris into the skimmer mouth it may not get there.
But should small debris like this remain floating at the surface of the water inside the skimmer or sucked down pretty quickly? I am seeing quite a bit of build up of the debris rotating at the surface in there but the pool itself also remains with tons of this debris all on the surface of the pool as if it's not sucking it into the filter.
 
47,

How fast are you running the pump??

18 to 20 PSI seems awful high to me unless the pump is running at full speed.

Move the Multiport valve on your skimmer to recirculate and see what happens..

It is normal for small, and buoyant, debris to float in the skimmer.

Show us some pics of your equipment pad.

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
But should small debris like this remain floating at the surface of the water inside the skimmer or sucked down pretty quickly? I am seeing quite a bit of build up of the debris rotating at the surface in there but the pool itself also remains with tons of this debris all on the surface of the pool as if it's not sucking it into the filter.
Lots of small stuff gets trapped in the skimmer basket and never makes it into the filter.

Turn off your pump and clean out the stuff in the skimmer basket.
 
Ok NEW INFO

So I just attempted cleaning some of this weird small debris and I think it is all actually extremely tiny bugs/organisms! Just after skimming I had a ton all over my arms and hands after hitting the skimmer net to clear it. Up close most of it is tiny black (almost microscopic) and non-specific looking but some here and there look more formed and look like tiny black bugs just with 2 small antenna and not many other features. This would make sense because I have been seeing these over the past while when skimming but the larger version that to can make out better. I didn't think much of it but now I am realizing that I think this is a widespread thing and somehow all over the pool. What is going on?

Btw all chemical levels are pretty good at the moment so nothing really to tell there (everything tested with a TFT liquid kit).

What are these and what could have caused this? More importantly, how do I fix it?

Here are some on my hand just now and some on a plate up close (video and image). You can see some of them more formed and some moving around. In the pic on the plate you even make out the antenna of some. Are these springtail bugs? Really gross.


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Bugs share the environment with your pool. There are some things you can do to make the water not as attractive to bugs…




 
Kind of looks like threads or shavings from something plastic. Do you have a pool cleaner that is self destructing?
It's not, I'm almost certain these are all organisms. There must be millions...literally everywhere visible on the surface pretty much. Up close they move and some are more formed as I said. Pretty sure this is a widespread infestation of sorts but not sure how to identify or proceed. Nothing so far has seemed to affect the amount at all yet.
 

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Use a skimmer sock to keep them from clogging your filter.
It is hard to describe how small these actually are. Almost microscopic and so far I am unable to clean them, and I bet a skimmer sock might even not be fine enough.
 
Then allow your DE filter to capture them because that is what DE is the bast for but watch for your filter pressure to rise 25% so you know when to clean it.
So I started at about 18psi and it's currently at 20. Do you mean 25psi or 25%?

So far I've been seeing this crazy amount of tiny things for a few days at least and it doesn't seem like they are being taken care of by the filter at all. Either they aren't even making it into the system or the filter is returning them in (or both). Not sure what to try. I will read the links posted above though.
 
If you fast forward to 1:30 with the guy's hand in this video - this is exactly what I am seeing, maybe not quite as concentrated:

 
If you fast forward to the end with the guy's hand in this video - this is exactly what I am seeing:

Yep...they don't fly, they crawl. Look closely on the deck and you may see them crawling toward the pool. You have to look close. If you've had some water runoff into the pool recently, they may have been washed from the landscape into the pool. I'm guessing if you run your hand in the grass next to your pool, you may see them jumping around.
 
Yep...they don't fly, they crawl. Look closely on the deck and you may see them crawling toward the pool. You have to look close. If you've had some water runoff into the pool recently, they may have been washed from the landscape into the pool. I'm guessing if you run your hand in the grass next to your pool, you may see them jumping around.
I'll have to take a look, thanks. No run off lately that I know of but we had our sprinkler system turned on not long ago so maybe related to that.

I've read a couple of potential ways to deal with this so far, Dawn, certain chemicals/products, etc. Have a recommendation?
 
From my experience, they don't swim well and will drown and die. It's just a matter of getting them out of the pool. Maybe a hair net in the skimmer. Your regular skimmer net should be able to pick up most of them. I've never had a huge infestation like you're seeing. Mine is more of just a steady flow of insects diving into the pool. They tend to stop when temperatures exceed 90°.

I've had no luck getting them off of my property. I've tried several different professional strength pesticides. The only thing that crawls around the pool are the springtails. They don't respect a pesticide barrier.

When you do research, you'll find that they like moist areas and feed off of dead plant material. They recommend trying to remove areas where springtails nest.
 
I just started using a skimmer bot. Check out this link. It works great for small debris including springtails.

 

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