Decided to Build First Pool this Spring

Lershac said:
Waitaminute...

If you are shooting the sides, heck why not just go ahead and shoot the bottom too and have a gunite pool? I dont understand that.
That's a great question that I don't know the answer too. Quote/contract is for liner, we had to pay an upcharge of like $1500 for the full length steps, and then I think the two ledges were like $300 a piece. We also got the auto cover at $12,000. After all the "upgrades" especially the stairs, he said he should probably build it like it is being built. We discussed it in detail, but I'm not asking questions about his profit margin etc. I guess to do full gunite would cost more in shotcrete, rebar etc VS sand and Portland. I wonder if down the road we could ever turn it into a gunite by just having the bottom replaced?
 
I do want to talk to my PB about another issue. I assume well have two main drains. Do those have to function? I mean can they be turned off? Our pool is so shallow in the deep end that I don't want to be walking on or stubbing my toe on some sort of raised safety cover on the drain(s). What are my options?
 
Bama Rambler said:
The easiest option is not to install them. lots of people don't have MD's at all. if you have them they must be compliant.
What are the benefits of having them? Ability to use pool pump to drain pool? Debris removal via filter? We'll have a Polaris 280 with separate booster pump....
 
Pool Builder was at my house today. We made a few changes/finalized the design. First step is going to be 3' wide vs. 2.5'. Depth of first step is 4-5". Both lights will go on house side of pool so that we don't see them from main seating area.

After some back and forth the main drains will be placed on the wall. Specifically about 6" above the transition from 45 degree to flat wall. So 6" up the flat wall which is like 14-18" above pool bottom. He still recommends them in the pool floor, but I don't' want to be stepping on them playing volleyball.

I ll have final pics before they shoot tonight with returns/skimmers main drains in the walls.
 
Looks like my 3 returns, 2 bottom drains, 2 lights and skimmer will all be on one side of the pool.
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Bottom drain is tee'd 2" pipe on left
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I see a bonding wire on this light
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this one too
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And i was glad to see the blocked up the re-bar, the kid (PB's son) who was driving the crew the day they did re-bar actually told me, when questioned, that the re-bar laying on the ground was stronger....I didn't say anything then, but was going to tonight if it hadn't changed, thank goodness it did....

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I'm not sure about all of the returns on the same wall as the deep suction and the skimmer on the same wall like that...how is the water going to circulate? Mark recommends returns across from the skimmers...
 

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carlscan26 said:
I'm not sure about all of the returns on the same wall as the deep suction and the skimmer on the same wall like that...how is the water going to circulate? Mark recommends returns across from the skimmers...
Yeah it doesn't make common sense to me either, however, I talked to the PB this morning. I'll attempt to summarize his explanation, but there is a clip on youtube from one of my favorite moves that does this quite well....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uVOz0u8O8M

PB's explanation: We used to install them like that. Water in a pool will start flowing in a circular fashion. If the returns are on the opposite side of the pool (remember mines a long rectangle) water will flow toward the skimmer and then run along the side of the pool both towards the deep and shallow end. Causing leafs and floating debris to be pushed right by the skimmer. He said through testing he found that returns on the same side as skimmer cause the exact same effect but the result is floating debris hit the far wall and then where the two opposing flows meet in the middle they start floating right toward the skimmer.

He said my far left and far right eyeball would be pointed towards the deep and shallow end. He didn't say where the eyeball in the middle would be pointed. I'm guessing down.

On this particular job doing it like this sure makes the trenching and plumping easy....that would seem to work both ways, to his and potentially my future benefit. Meaning there is really only on side of my pool deck that would ever need to be torn up to fix and up the pool plumbing/lights/skimmer/main drain.

Remember he did tell me that he recommended the main drains be installed in the floor (so you can blame that on me) I had to sign a Change order on that and the extension of the first step to 3' from 2.5'.

They showed up at 6:30 this morning and were shooting at 7:30. He said they'd be done by 10 or 11. He was going to let the pool harden up for a couple of days before he comes out to finish plumbing and start the bottom/back fill/grading.

I asked if i need to keep it wet, PB said No, Shotcrete foreman said right after that don't worry we put it down with enough water.....whatever that means.
 
tatertot09 said:
Wow that looks like a really clean job! It looks like a pool now!!! :)!!

I so wanted to get in it last night as see how big it felt, but alas the concrete was still wet in places and they told me not to walk on the steps.

I've never seen a gunite shoot in person, so i didn't know what to expect when i came home last night, there were bits of concrete all over the place inside and outside the pool walls, i'm guessing overspray.

Somebody was out today, don't know what they did guess i'll find out when i get home tonight.
 
Simearl said:
You must be in Bartow or Gordon county for the dirt to be that red. I live north of Gordon myself. Who is the pool builder? Your pool build looks great.
I'm actually in S.E. Cherokee County. I'm gonna withhold the PB company till it's done so I can comment openly and receive unbaised opinions. They just removed all the forms today and bent the rebar that was sticking up towards the pool opening, I don't know what that rebar is for, maybe to tie into coping, but it's pretty spread out.
 
We are in Alabama and buiding our first pool as well (construction has not yet started, we're doing fiberglass). Just wanted to say thanks for the awesome pics and sharing the process! Your pool looks wonderful already, LOVE those long steps...what a great play area for the kids! :)
 
Well the PB and the grading company was out most of Friday. They finished pool plumbing and backfilled, 10 loads of dirt have been hauled away, 90% of the grading in the yard in prep for concrete and sod is complete.

Today they will finish the grading, and soon a Coverstar crew will be out to install the cover tracks. The PB will be out to lay the "grid" for bonding and the inspection. After that it will be up to the wife and I to paint out the lines for concrete. Supposedly to happen this week but I doubt it.

The PB also ordered the liner, said that should take a week.

I take better pictures tonight.

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I built this little wing wall over the weekend to help achieve the grade we needed without getting dirt up on the siding where it transitions 2' as it follows the foundation walls.

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Probably going to build another wall 1/2 circle around the Jap maple, you can't tell from this photo but the grade slopes 2.5' down to the tree.

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Got to decide exactly where to place the 2 steps (15' wide) that will separate the pool decking/patio from the house patio.

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