Bonding Resin Pool

thefloatqueen

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Exhibit A: THIS explanation made me have to get up and pour a Jack and Coke. I just can’t with this!! 😩😭5AC044EF-79AF-4150-B729-89D97B1F769D.jpegI think I’ll just BOND with my floats if this is what I need to do lol wth does any of this even mean?!
 

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See, when I did a search on bonding on this forum, all of the explanations were so overwhelming and made it sound like a HUGE deal and it was like trying to read Greek. So I’m relieved by what you’re telling me. I don’t understand all the big words and terminology when it comes to electricity lol
Gotta break it down into small bites.

First, the loop around the pool. 18-24” away from pool wall, buried about 6” deep. 8 gauge solid copper wire. Pretty sure I bought mine at Home Depot, maybe Lowe’s. Came in a 50’ package, so I bought 2.

Gizmos to connect the end of the loop together. Will post those in a moment.

Ok, so what needs to be connected to loop? The water, and any metal within 5‘ feet (or check regs in your area) of pool. For me, it was super simple: the wall connector strip, and a metal plate in my skimmer to bond the water. When I replace my pump, that will need bonding as well.

For you, I think you have resin uprights and metal wall, is that correct? So your wall just needs it at one point, and I think your wall connector strip will serve the purpose. I don’t know if bonding your wall also bonds your water, so we’ll get someone in here to answer that, and I’m not sure about your wall track. What is that made of?

Your pump will need to be connected too, and should already have a bonding lug on the body somewhere.

You’ll use pieces of the same copper wire that you used for your loop. Connect a piece to your loop, and the other end to the thing you are bonding. Again, will post those connector gizmos in a moment.

@magiteck @jseyfert3 @ajw22

Can you add your guidance?
 
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thefloatqueen

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Gotta break it down into small bites.

First, the loop around the pool. 18-24” away from pool wall, buried about 6” deep. 8 gauge solid copper wire. Pretty sure I bought mine at Home Depot, maybe Lowe’s. Came in a 50’ package, so I bought 2.

Gizmos to connect the end of the loop together. Will post those in a moment.

Ok, so what needs to be connected to loop? The water, and any metal within 5‘ feet (or check regs in your area) of pool. For me, it was super simple: the wall connector strip, and a metal plate in my skimmer to bond the water. When I replace my pump, that will need bonding as well.

For you, I think you have resin uprights and metal wall, is that correct? So your wall just needs it at one point, and I think your wall connector strip will serve the purpose. I don’t know if bonding your wall also bonds your water, so we’ll get someone in here to answer that, and I’m not sure about your wall track. What is that made of?

Your pump will need to be connected too, and should already have a bonding lug on the body somewhere.

You’ll use pieces of the same copper wire that you used for your loop. Connect a piece to your loop, and the other end to the thing you are bonding. Agin, will post those connector gizmos in a moment.

@magiteck @jseyfert3 @ajw22

Can you add your guidance?
Thank you for the explanation! Yes I THINK my pool has resin uprights and I know it has a metal wall. We haven’t even had an electrician come out and put a new outlet to plug in the equipment yet so I’m getting way ahead of myself. I assume this is something I should do BEFORE installing the pool, right? Or do I wait until after since I don’t know where the equipment is going to go? Lord, I need to start a build thread lol.
 

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Thank you for the explanation! Yes I THINK my pool has resin uprights and I know it has a metal wall. We haven’t even had an electrician come out and put a new outlet to plug in the equipment yet so I’m getting way ahead of myself. I assume this is something I should do BEFORE installing the pool, right? Or do I wait until after since I don’t know where the equipment is going to go? Lord, I need to start a build thread lol.

You can do after install. Since your loop around the pool is a full loop, doesn’t really matter where you put equipment. Once your equipment is wherever you want it, you’ll connect it to the loop.
 

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You can do after install. Since your loop around the pool is a full loop, doesn’t really matter where you put equipment. Once your equipment is wherever you want it, you’ll connect it to the loop.
But if I do it after the install and can’t get an electrician out immediately, how do I run the pump? I know extension cords are a huge no-no.
 

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I stole this shopping list from @magiteck when I did mine:

Specifically, for my 24' round pool, I used the following items:
  • 2 of these from Menards: 50' 8 Gauge Solid Copper Electrical Grounding Wire [Needed about 75 feet just to circle the pool - used one of the below split bolt connectors to connect the two sections of wire.]
  • One of these for the Water Bonding: Burndy BWB680AG Waterbug [Installs in the skimmer.]
  • 3 2-packs of these from Home Depot: #8 SOL/STR to #16 SOL/STR Split Bolt Wire Connector [These are used to connect sections of wire together. Since you're burying the wire they need to be Direct-Burial rated to pass inspection. (Stamped DB) [Ultimately I used two of these to connect the two sections of loop wire, one to connect the wire from the pool shell to the loop, one to connect the wire from the Waterbug to the loop, and one to connect the wire from the pump to the loop.]
  • 1 of these, which is what I used to connect to the pool shell. Morris Products Direct Burial Lay-In Connectors [Where the pool shell bolts together, I put one of the bolts through here. The bonding wire then runs behind the upright covering the bolts, down to the ground, and connects to the loop around the pool with one of the above split bolt connectors.
 
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Gotta break it down into small bites.

First, the loop around the pool. 18-24” away from pool wall, buried about 6” deep. 8 gauge solid copper wire. Pretty sure I bought mine at Home Depot, maybe Lowe’s. Came in a 50’ package, so I bought 2.

Gizmos to connect the end of the loop together. Will post those in a moment.

Ok, so what needs to be connected to loop? The water, and any metal within 5‘ feet (or check regs in your area) of pool. For me, it was super simple: the wall connector strip, and a metal plate in my skimmer to bond the water. When I replace my pump, that will need bonding as well.

For you, I think you have resin uprights and metal wall, is that correct? So your wall just needs it at one point, and I think your wall connector strip will serve the purpose. I don’t know if bonding your wall also bonds your water, so we’ll get someone in here to answer that, and I’m not sure about your wall track. What is that made of?

Your pump will need to be connected too, and should already have a bonding lug on the body somewhere.

You’ll use pieces of the same copper wire that you used for your loop. Connect a piece to your loop, and the other end to the thing you are bonding. Agin, will post those connector gizmos in a moment.

@magiteck @jseyfert3 @ajw22

Can you add your guidance?
The water bond is the thing u put in your skimmer. There are several versions but basically it’s how it sounds the bonding wire must contact the water. Bonding the wall doesn’t bond the water.
 
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But if I do it after the install and can’t get an electrician out immediately, how do I run the pump? I know extension cords are a huge no-no.

You may be getting a bit mixed up. Bonding and electrical are two different things. You can fully bond a metal paint can in the middle of your yard and not have any electric running to it.

Running an electrical line is something you likely need an electrician to do. And yes, you’ll want to know where your equipment is going to be before you have an electric line put in.

Also, remember, I went for days with no pump running before I finally got my plumbing done. I wouldn’t recommend that, but it all worked out!
 

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Ok, got it. I’m going to worry about getting an electrician to install a GFCI outlet near the pool first. I’ll worry about the bonding later after the pool is up.
 

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There is a point where safe electrical practices cannot be taught over an Internet forum and this discussion with @thefloatqueen borders on it.

It is better to not do any bonding then do it incorrectly and think you have increased your safety.
 

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I made you a cute little diagram! Lol. Please note that the orange/brown lines are the pieces of copper wire connecting the loop to the various components!

And I totally am ignoring work that I brought home and should be focusing on, when I’d rather do this!

Edit: I didn’t see the directive to stop the discussion until after I posted this!

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Ok, got it. I’m going to worry about getting an electrician to install a GFCI outlet near the pool first. I’ll worry about the bonding later after the pool is up.
Inquire about bonding when they come to run the electrical - it shouldn’t be too expensive & they should be able give u an estimate. Then just set them up to come do it right after install day.
 
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