Backyard transformation project - many years delayed - finally under way!

HitchHiker

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Haven't been here on the forums since COVID basically, here's the original thread for reference:


We're finally starting our back yard transformation project in earnest this year after various delays due to college expenses, a few deaths in our families to navigate and manage (in addition to elder care related challenges leading up to COVID), and some unexpected financial expenses that delayed this project. But, this year, it's finally under way as of about two months ago! Our hardscaping contractor came in about 1.5 months ago and destructed the entire pool deck and therefore our yard currently looks like a bomb went off with big ruts and so forth - but the tile and coping destruction and install is now under way - they will be back next Monday to complete the coping/tile install and then we skip a week (traveling on business), and the plaster install will take place the week of 6/17 and be complete by 6/21.

Here's the original list of NEEDS/WANTS from the original post - with what we've actually baked into the plans to date:

Pool - NEED:

Re-surfacing - under contract with Coronado Pools
Re-tiling - under contract with Coronado Pools
Re-coping - under contract with Coronado Pools
Equipment replacement (want to move to a maintenance free type setup) - work in progress DIY
Skimmer replacement - under contract with Coronado Pools
Safety cover installation (for off season) - completed prior to COVID

Pool- WANT:

Concrete deck replacement or deck overlay with stonework/pavers (TBD) - under contract for hardscaping (Nicolock) using reputable local contractor

Add pool water features:
Integrated spa - removed from scope
Grotto/waterfall feature - removed from scope - possible future phase (can always add later)
Tanning deck - removed from scope
Integrated LED Lighting - under contract with Coronado Pools

Hardscaping/decking:

Raised hardscape between sunroom to near side pool (level with integrated spa/water features) - under contract
Wrap hardscape around both sides of sunroom - replace garden areas with hardscaping - under contract
Possible outdoor kitchen area (left side of sunroom) - removed from scope (can always add later)
Possible outdoor fireplace and/or firepit area with seating (right side of the sunroom) - firepit and seating area under contract

Yard plans:

Replace all fencing around back yard (aged wood fencing has reached end of life) - fencing purchased and onsite for DIY
Replace shed roof (or the shed altogether) - shed destruction complete - old pad being removed by hardscaping contractor
Clear out all brush from under trees and landscape cleared areas with stone/mulch - under contract for landscaping after completion of hardscaping work (same contractor)
Consider removing some trees - several trees removed last year due to disease outbreak
Install gazebo under trees for adjacent seating area for pool - future phase
Install hammock between trees adjacent to gazebo - TBD

Specific to the pool equipment replacement - this is my current focus area. I want a pool automation system, along with a variable speed pump and I want to add a SWCG. I'm fairly handy with electric and in general. I don't think it'll be too difficult to replace the pool pump and replumb as needed, though I have question marks on the automation system and the SWCG - how difficult are these two items to handle for DIY? The pool work will be complete by 6/21 - that's fill up day basically (final wash post plaster install in the morning). Lastly, I'm getting conflicting information on whether we can simply use our two hoses for the initial fill (it'll take 2-3 days going this route) vs having to bring in water trucks - for a newly surfaced plaster pool - any feedback on this item? The guy at Coronado indicated we can simply use hoses - but someone else at Coronado said only if it completes within 24 hours of the install completion.
 
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Specific to the pool pump upgrade/replacement, I was just reading this thread:


The logic seems to indicate it's better to consider a higher HP variable speed pump as it can move more water per unit of energy (paraphrasing), so buying a 2.7-3HP variable speed pump is the way to go. Are there any concerns about return line sizing? Our older Anthony inground has a single two inch return line that breaks up into two 1.5 inch lines underground and on into the pool. We have a single skimmer in the pool with a two inch supply line to the pool pump. What's the real world difference between a Calimar 3HP variable speed pump:


Vs the higher priced units from Hayward/Intelliflo/Jandy/Jacuzzi for example - many of which are range from $1300-2000 in comparison.

Our pool is approximately 25000 gallons - how about recommendations for a SWCG? Ideally I'd like all of the equipment to plug into a pool automation system if possible such that I can control it all remotely via my smartphone.
 
I just spent about 30 minutes on the phone with PS Unlimited speaking to one of their knowledgeable folks about Calimar vs the other brands - basically Calimar is built in China - that's why it's cheaper - but she said most of the actual components in the more expensive brands are also built in China - so it's not worth 3x the price. They also sell an interface board for $50 with the Calimar pumps that allows it to be set to work with any of the major automation systems - bonus - so I just ordered both the Calimar 3HP pump and their SWCG system along with the the interface board - eventually I'll choose an automation system and I'll have what I need when that time comes. I'll be DIY installing the pump and SWCG system myself the week after next - I'll post into this thread about my experiences.
 
OK, now that I've got the new pool pump and SWCG on the way later this week, I'd really like to DIY install both of these. Currently, my old pump is on a 120v/15A circuit, and there's another 240v/30A circuit in the same box (next to the pool equipment) that I plan to repurpose for the 230v pump. We used to have an electric heat pump, however it died several years ago and I'm planning to simply remove it altogether from the equipment area since we never use it. I'm fairly handy with wiring, so I'm good handling the wiring/grounds and such. There's currently an older timer unit that the pump connection flows through that I believe I can simply remove since the pump itself has it's own programmable interface. I'll have to look into how to wire up the Calimar SWCG as well - inline with the pump such that it's only powered when the pump is running of course. Anyone who has done this type of work before, especially with Calimar pump/SWCG equipment, feel free to share any tips and tricks. I scanned through the online user manuals for both, doesn't seem too difficult from a DIY perspective.
 
Next item up - how about a good recommendation on a pool test kit that has mobile app/browser capability via BT or something similar? I saw products like Sutro for example, but those seem overly expensive and the value prop is somewhat questionable. I'd rather have a good/accurate test kit in comparison, at least for now.
 
Next item up - how about a good recommendation on a pool test kit that has mobile app/browser capability via BT or something similar? I saw products like Sutro for example, but those seem overly expensive and the value prop is somewhat questionable. I'd rather have a good/accurate test kit in comparison, at least for now.
If you want a good/accurate digital tester then you're looking at something that makes Sutro look downright cheap. I'm talking several thousand and then several dollars per test.

Nothing has beaten the standard Taylor tests yet, at least not at anything coming close to resembling value. Test Kits Compared
 
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I'd rather have a good/accurate test kit in comparison, at least for now.
Hands down, the Tfpro salt, with the slam option.

Here is why, read this post and the following one.

 
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Hands down, the Tfpro salt, with the slam option.

Here is why, read this post and the following one.

Thanks for this recommendation. Looks like it's in the low 200's with the SLAM, salt strips and the last option. Anyone happen to have a coupon code?
 
If you Become a TFP Supporter they email you one. You'll be out more than you get though. But if it was something you'd consider either way, it can work in you favor.
Looks like it's in the low 200's
If you add up what it comes with and buy the equivalents from Taylor, it'd be more. It is what it is, and it's a one time thing to get the parts like all the vials, cya tube, ph doohickie and the smart stir. Next year you can replace the reagents on sale in the $40s.
 
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If you Become a TFP Supporter they email you one. You'll be out more than you get though. But if it was something you'd consider either way, it can work in you favor.

If you add up what it comes with and buy the equivalents from Taylor, it'd be more. It is what it is, and it's a one time thing to get the parts like all the vials, cya tube, ph doohickie and the smart stir. Next year you can replace the reagents on sale in the $40s.
Got it - I'll support TFP without a doubt - just have to decide on what level. :cool:
 
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You're helping us help you. If the lights go out, we all have to find new hobbies. We'll be here for sure long enough to get you going. Next year and beyond is always a question mark so extending that date is always super appreciated, big or small. So THANKS from all us volunteers. :)
 
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You're helping us help you. If the lights go out, we all have to find new hobbies. We'll be here for sure long enough to get you going. Next year and beyond is always a question mark so extending that date is always super appreciated, big or small. So THANKS from all us volunteers. :)
Gold support purchased - thanks for all that you do! :cool:
 
Pics of the finished renovated pool - pardon the ugly surroundings as we are not starting the surrounding hardscaping project after having removed the old cement decking a few weeks ago - so overgrowth and other challenges will be resolved in the coming weeks as we complete the back yard transformation project. Today was the final surface acid wash and I'm currently waiting on fill water delivery - and a local pool outfit to install our new pump and SWCG.
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Next question of the day: How about pool light replacements? What's a good LED pool light that's compatible with an automation system and can do the cool programmatic color schemes? Something like this?


Any off-brand LED pool lights that anyone recommends that aren't as expensive but don't sacrifice on quality and features?
 
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Man oh man - keeping the water chemistry in line after a reno is a challenge without a doubt. I'm using the renovation company's instructions for opening post renovation. Below are screenshots of the instructions they give for the open post reno for the Stonescapes Puerto Rico blend surface. I'm currently on Day 3 as of today, I had to delay a day from Thursday since I had equipment installation issues to deal with. Getting Ph under control has been a real PITA. It's been REALLY high - like off the scale high. To date I've used two gallons of muriatic acid - first three batches were 1/4-1/2 gallon at a time - then 1/4 gallon (1 quart) at a time yesterday. Late yesterday I finally got the Ph to register at something other than pure purple, around 7.8, using the TFP pro pool testing kit. This morning, back up to purple, or 8.2, - so I just added another 1/4 gallon this morning. I've also got a ton of test strips that I'm using alongside the actual pool test kit as an aide for quick checks in between full tests. I'm also pasting the Pool Math timeline results below for reference:

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Chemical Addition 06-24-2024 @ 09:05 AM
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+ 35 FluidOunces of Baume31

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Test Results 06-24-2024 @ 08:43 AM
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Calcium Hardness: 175

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Test Results 06-24-2024 @ 08:39 AM
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pH: 8.2
Total Alkalinity: 80

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Test Results 06-23-2024 @ 06:10 PM
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pH: 7.8

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Chemical Addition 06-23-2024 @ 06:00 PM
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+ 10 Pounds of CalciumChlorideDihydrate

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Chemical Addition 06-23-2024 @ 05:30 PM
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+ 34 FluidOunces of Baume31

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Test Results 06-23-2024 @ 05:30 PM
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pH: 8.2

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Test Results 06-23-2024 @ 05:15 PM
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pH: 8.2

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Test Results 06-23-2024 @ 01:19 PM
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pH: 8.2

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Chemical Addition 06-23-2024 @ 10:53 AM
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+ 74 FluidOunces of Baume31

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Test Results 06-23-2024 @ 10:47 AM
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Calcium Hardness: 100

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Test Results 06-23-2024 @ 10:41 AM
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Total Alkalinity: 100

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Test Results 06-23-2024 @ 10:37 AM
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Free Chlorine: 0.0
Combined Chlorine: 0.0
pH: 8.2

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Chemical Addition 06-22-2024 @ 06:00 PM
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+ 34 FluidOunces of Baume31

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Chemical Addition 06-22-2024 @ 03:48 PM
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+ 34 FluidOunces of Baume31

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Test Results 06-22-2024 @ 03:21 PM
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Calcium Hardness: 100

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Test Results 06-22-2024 @ 03:15 PM
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Free Chlorine: 0.0
pH: 8.2

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Test Results 06-22-2024 @ 03:10 PM
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Total Alkalinity: 100

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Lastly, a couple of pics of the new pool surface:

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So I've had a few questions pop into my mind now that I'm post reno yet the pool decking is still yet to come. How difficult is it to plumb jets into the decking area? I found a couple good local pool guys to wire up my new equipment (Calimar VS 3HP pool pump and Calimar SWCG), and while they were here, they said it'd be a good idea to plumb in another run for anything along this line now, as opposed to later, even if they just cap off that run for now and install a valve with all flow going to the return for now. I'm thinking about installing at least a couple of pool jets on the back side of the pool since that's where the plumbing is so it wouldn't be too hard to make runs for those jets. Not sure what other water features I could add that wouldn't be a ton of work?
 
Question on the wiring of the new pool pump/SWCG - this is how the installers wired up the new units. I don't have a solar system nor a heater - but the flow is the same as the diagram. Somehow I was left thinking that with the newer variable speed programmable pumps - you would no longer need a filter timer box - but it appears that you still do? If so, then how do you program the pump such that it runs according to the programmed schedule - do you have to synchronize the timer box to the pump time and then set the timer box to provide power shortly before the pump's schedule starts - and then cut the power via the timer box shortly after the pump's schedule concludes? Since the SWCG is also wired into the timer box - it'll be power up and down at the same time of course. Just want to ensure that I'm having this done right.

Possible secondary question. If I were to add an automation system down the line - would this impact the wiring and eliminate the need for a manual timer box? Or is the timer box always going to be a part of the wiring system?

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Next question - what's a good brush pool vacuum? I'm apparently not supposed to use any kind of roller/wheel based vacuum and/or powered pool cleaner until at least 30 days after the plaster is installed. I'm guessing this is due to the plaster curing process best estimate.
 
Thinking about adding a few DIY deck jets while I still can since my decking is gone and our hardscaping contractor won't complete our new hardscaping for a few weeks. Anyone have any advice on DIY deck jets?
 
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The project isn't entirely complete obviously - still have landscaping phase ahead of us - but figured I'd share these pics to document progress. Landscaping phase is supposed to start this week. I will share more pics once the landscaping phase is complete to provide a finished look. The pool and hardscaping projects are nearly complete thankfully - the only missing piece in the pics above - which is now done though the pics don't reflect it - is the final addition of the polymorphic sand for the pavers. I'll snap a few more pics soon with this in mind.

I'm starting the DIY fence replacement project this week - and have started destructing existing fencing already. Fun fun!
 
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