Since I'm a noob to pool cleaners and booster pumps, I appreciate the kind TFP cleaner
reference from Allen and the
TFP booster pump thread for beginner starting points.
To clarify by answering the kind questions asked of me...
I have a suction side cleaner. It came with a flow gauge to determine and set the proper flow for the cleaner.
I have tried the suction-based hand-held pole-mounted heavy roller vacuum attachments, which work, but priming the 60-foot hose is not only a two-man job but any mistake runs the main filter pump dry.
That got me thinking that there must be something similar for a pressure-side cleaner, and there is.
Up until yesterday I had thought all the pool cleaners were based on vacuum (which I can get out of the debris canister but it's way too much work and requires two people to prime the hoses).
On my supposedly "self cleaning" pool, there is no dedicated vacuum port, nor is there a dedicated booster output port (as, I guess, they weren't deemed to be needed).
As a separate project, I plan on retrofitting the 1.6HP sump pump to reverse the flow as a vacuum pump instead - but that's for later as this pressure-side Polaris 380 pool cleaner fell into my lap.
It's covered in the article Allen linked for you. Until you can establish proper pressure flow to your cleaner, all your other troubleshooting and/or repair efforts will be tough going if not impossible. You're looking for a Polaris Pressure Stick.
Thanks for the "Pressure Stick" keyword, which I found mention of in this
POLARIS 380 REPAIR MANUAL (which seems to be a
workbook for some kind of training class).
I don't know much about pumps, and way less about the 380, but I'm thinkin' a sump pump is not going to give you the correct flow and pressure to run that cleaner, which means you might have to get yourself an actual booster pump, which could be a case of throwing good money after bad. How much are you willing to gamble to bring a used, broken cleaner back to life?
I certainly know less than anyone does about pool cleaner where the likely answer to your question, as you clearly surmised, is perhaps that it's probably not worth buying a booster pump just to test (and fix) the Polaris 380 that fell in my lap.
However. It may be worth utilizing the existing
brand-new 1.6HP 5500GPH (~90 gallons per minute) submersible sump pump to act as an (unfiltered) booster pump.
Perhaps I can sit the sump pump on a ledge over the deep end and maybe let the pool cleaner do its thing in the deep end (which is where all the debris collects over time).
Does your pool even have the plumbing and port to support a pressure-side cleaner?
It's a long story that will bore you to death, so the short answer is "no".
That's why any working solution has to be a portable setup (plugged into a 120VAC GCFI on the pool deck).
Don't mind me. I hated my Polaris 280 and its dilapidated booster pump. It was a happy day when I got rid of both. So I'm projecting some. Others here swear by theirs, so whaddaIknow...
I assume these pressure-side pool cleaners must work, albeit I'm sure they break down a lot.
Since I already have the 1.6HP 90gpm submersible sump pump with a perfect 1.5-inch NPT output (which I bought to
empty the pool a month ago), I'm hoping my setup may be virtually free to get this Polaris 380 pressure-side cleaner working.
- My first problem to resolve, I think, is that the sump pump is too powerful.
- The question to answer would be either how to reduce the output, or, if the Polaris 380 can handle that much higher output
- Concurrently, I have to figure out what's wrong with the Polaris 380 in the first place
- Where without a booster pump, I can't really test it (as far as what I know at the moment)
But I still have a lot of basics to learn. For example, I haven't yet figured out if these pressure-side cleaners are FILTERED (i.e., are they supposed to go through the main filter?).
Or is all the debris and detritus collected in the filter bag (as the garden-hose hand-held pole cleaners do).
Mine won't be filtered unless I add a separate topside filter to it, so that's an important question to iron out (which I would have known if I had any experience with pool cleaners).
I like robots even less (though I've never owned one), but in this case I might recommend putting money towards one of those before trying to get a pressure-side cleaner to work if you don't have a pressure port in your pool.
I am on fixed income and don't have the money for fancy pool equipment.
I have all the time in the world - and no money. So my solution will take that into account.
Looking at the
link Alan kindly provided and the
TFP booster pump link and a few other
TFP repair handbooks &
troubleshooters, I think my main goal is three fold initially:
- First I need to figure out how the Polaris 380 system is SUPPOSED to work (e.g., is a filter required?)
- Then I need to drop down the 1.6HP 90gpm 1-1/2-inch NPT sump pump output closer to what the 3/4HP ~12gpm 1-inch NPT booster pumps typically output (e.g., 50psi).
- And, once I have the lowered sump pump output (of about 28psi), then I have to figure out what's wrong with the Polaris 380 cleaner I picked up at the garage sale yesterday.
Notice I don't have a pressure gauge yet, so I only know the sump pump is 5500 gallons per hour output (92GPM) while the Polaris 380 needs 28psi to 32psi at the robot, where I see from the TFP booster pump thread that some of the booster pumps output about 50psi at about 12GPM to 13GPM (so I need to add a hefty resistance, I think, where suggestions are welcome).
