Algae Increasing Since Day 2 of SLAM - Newbie needs Advice

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kimkats said:
That is dead algae and some dirt from the air. The reason it collects in the same spot is that is the lowest spot(s) in the pool. Once the water is still it settles out of the water and ends up there. The down side of a sand filter is the fact it does not always catch the finer stuff in the water :( Until you can "catch" all of the stuff and get it up and out of the pool it will settle out of the water waiting for your filter to catch it or you vacuuming it out of the pool by waste (which you have been trying to do with not much luck :().

Have you added any DE to your sand?
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It seems to be the opposite, or I might just be reading incorrectly. The dirt and algea settles in that spot, but only when the filter is running. I had a crack turn into a massive leak last night in the hose from the the skimmer basket to the pump. I noticed it at about 21:00, and there wasn't anything open. With COVID even walmart closed at 20:30. So my pump did not run last night until about 0815 this this morning.

My pump has a valve, so I closed that, disconnected the line from the pump and duct tapped it over the edge of the pool (cut line was right near the inlet to the pump) so it wouldn't leak all night. It was a split about 3 / 4 the way around, so it was a lot.


I did clean the algea from the bottom before I went to bed. When I woke up this morrning, NO ALGEA/DIRT in the center. If algae was growing or multiplying, wouldn't it come back without running the filter?! Seems like the algea is dead!? But, when I collect it, it does still poof! Is that normal for dead algea? I don't know, I have to ask.

On that note, when I turned the filter back on, less than an hour later, there was accumulation in the middle of the pool again.

I have not added any DE to the sand fitler. Do you recommend this? How much do you recommend I add? I don't know anything about DE, I know they sell DE Filter Aid, is this the same? I've read about adding a little bit to a sand filter to increase filter capability, and I'm happy to do so.


Texas Splash said:
Yeah, other than that small settling area the water looks great. :goodjob: Have you done an Overnight Chlorine Loss Test lately? I'd be surprised if you didn't pass.
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Since I dropped the 2 gallons into the pool, I haven't done another OCLT. But I have passed 2. I'll try and do another one tonight. I might have enough reagent left, especially seeing as though we've had 2 very sunny days, my levels should have some down significantly.
 
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kimkats said:
Okay so who put the sand in your filter? Any idea what kind of sand was used???
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I replaced the sand last year mid way through the way. I bought pool sand from Ocean State Job Lot. It was this sand
https://www.oceanstatejoblot.com/mystic-white-pool-filter-sand-50-lbs/product/197045

I still have the old sand, I think, we ended up drying it out and looking at it because pressure had gone way up and we figured it would have a lot of junk in it, but it ended up being the pressure gauge. DOH!
 
Chevydue057 said:
I replaced the sand last year mid way through the way. I bought pool sand from Ocean State Job Lot. It was this sand
https://www.oceanstatejoblot.com/mystic-white-pool-filter-sand-50-lbs/product/197045
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While feedback indicates it should be fine, you're not the first person this year to have a problem. See Changing sand. I don't know if in the other person's case they had a problem with the laterals or something, just noting the thread so you can compare situations.
 
I can say that when I added DE to my sand filter it cleared out all my dead algae haze in less then 8 hours. The difference it made in the efficiency in my filter was night and day. You add a bit at a time directly into your skimmer until the psi on the pump goes up just 1. In my case I just needed to add 1 cup. Also if your filter is actually broken(usually a broken lateral) when you add the DE it will shoot straight out back into the pool almost immediately and will be obvious. You will then know for a fact if your pump is broken or not.
 
kimkats said:
Pat is thinking what I am...............could there be something that is allowing stuff from the sand to come out into the water/pool? With the pump off and not mess to pump on = mess............
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This may be the case. I did carefully inspect each of the laterals last year when we changed the sand. No signs of any cracks, etc. I even carefully flexed each of them to see if a stress crack or something was happening, like under pressure. I didn't see any sign of this.

Orion7319 said:
I can say that when I added DE to my sand filter it cleared out all my dead algae haze in less then 8 hours. The difference it made in the efficiency in my filter was night and day. You add a bit at a time directly into your skimmer until the psi on the pump goes up just 1. In my case I just needed to add 1 cup. Also if your filter is actually broken(usually a broken lateral) when you add the DE it will shoot straight out back into the pool almost immediately and will be obvious. You will then know for a fact if your pump is broken or not.
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Did your dead algea look similar to my photo's above? I really can't tell what it is, but pool sand doesn't seem to "poof" like a dust bunny like whatever this is. DE might be the way to do.

Is DE the same as DE filter aid in the link below?
www.walmart.com

HTH Diatomaceous Earth Filter Aid, Pool Chemicals and Supplies, 10 lb - Walmart.com

Arrives by Mon, Aug 14 Buy HTH Diatomaceous Earth Filter Aid, Pool Chemicals and Supplies, 10 lb at Walmart.com
www.walmart.com
 
Chevydue057 said:
This may be the case. I did carefully inspect each of the laterals last year when we changed the sand. No signs of any cracks, etc. I even carefully flexed each of them to see if a stress crack or something was happening, like under pressure. I didn't see any sign of this.



Did your dead algea look similar to my photo's above? I really can't tell what it is, but pool sand doesn't seem to "poof" like a dust bunny like whatever this is. DE might be the way to do.

Is DE the same as DE filter aid in the link below?
www.walmart.com

HTH Diatomaceous Earth Filter Aid, Pool Chemicals and Supplies, 10 lb - Walmart.com

Arrives by Mon, Aug 14 Buy HTH Diatomaceous Earth Filter Aid, Pool Chemicals and Supplies, 10 lb at Walmart.com
www.walmart.com
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This just happened to me the other day ( have a thread) My pool was hazy and so I slammed the pool overnight. The next day I could see on the steps and the pool floor that I had a very fine dust which went poof(I am assuming was dead algae, could have just been dust). I ran my filter nonstop, threw my robot in and let it run all day. I picked up some of that DE that afternoon and put in a cup full in the filter and the next day my pool looked clearer then it ever had. I did an overnight FC loss test which shows that all the algae is dead. (measured FC and CC after the sun goes down and first thing in the morning the next day FC was same with no CC)
I think that’s basically the same stuff DE should just be DE. I got mine from Lowe’s. Says on the site it’s for DE and sand filters.

 
Orion7319 said:
This just happened to me the other day ( have a thread) My pool was hazy and so I slammed the pool overnight. The next day I could see on the steps and the pool floor that I had a very fine dust which went poof(I am assuming was dead algae, could have just been dust). I ran my filter nonstop, threw my robot in and let it run all day. I picked up some of that DE that afternoon and put in a cup full in the filter and the next day my pool looked clearer then it ever had. I did an overnight FC loss test which shows that all the algae is dead. (measured FC and CC after the sun goes down and first thing in the morning the next day FC was same with no CC)
I think that’s basically the same stuff DE should just be DE. I got mine from Lowe’s. Says on the site it’s for DE and sand filters.

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I'm at a loss, so I'm going to try it. I had my local pool store do a water test(just for giggles I have a kit, I wanted to see how far they differ) and asked them about this. They know I've been in a couple of times, and I've spent some money with them. They gave me probably 2lbs, I added about 16/17 OZ of DE for my filter pressure to rise 1psi, and I'll try it.

My CC was up to 1 this morning. But my FC didn't drop between yesterday and today. Which is very strange for me. I need to find the clips for my robot bag, and I'll throw it in for the afternoon.

Thanks!
 

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Chevydue057 said:
I'm at a loss, so I'm going to try it. I had my local pool store do a water test(just for giggles I have a kit, I wanted to see how far they differ) and asked them about this. They know I've been in a couple of times, and I've spent some money with them. They gave me probably 2lbs, I added about 16/17 OZ of DE for my filter pressure to rise 1psi, and I'll try it.

My CC was up to 1 this morning. But my FC didn't drop between yesterday and today. Which is very strange for me. I need to find the clips for my robot bag, and I'll throw it in for the afternoon.

Thanks!
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The only thing I would be worried about is that CC being at 1. Did you get that with the test kit or from the pool store? Running the robot around will kick all the stuff up that it can’t remove and the DE in the filter should help it clear it quickly, as opposed to days or weeks unless your filter is really messed up. It can’t hurt anything to add it unless you add to much. Just remember to add more whenever you backwash.
 
Orion7319 said:
The only thing I would be worried about is that CC being at 1. Did you get that with the test kit or from the pool store? Running the robot around will kick all the stuff up that it can’t remove and the DE in the filter should help it clear it quickly, as opposed to days or weeks unless your filter is really messed up. It can’t hurt anything to add it unless you add to much. Just remember to add more whenever you backwash.
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Both. I know pool stores are notoriously inaccurate, but I was there anyway so I had them run it.


But, after adding DE to the skimmer yesterday, and still running the pump for the SLAM I'm now getting DE in the pool. This tells me I have a filtering issue. The sand filter laterals have been checked. I will go ahead and take the filter apart again and carefully check each of them myself.

Before I tear this apart again, Is there anything else besides the laterals that could be allow debris to escape through the filter?
 
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Chevydue057 said:
Both. I know pool stores are notoriously inaccurate, but I was there anyway so I had them run it.


But, after adding DE to the skimmer yesterday, and still running the pump for the SLAM I'm not getting DE in the pool. This tells me I have a filtering issue. The sand filter laterals have been checked. I will go ahead and take the filter apart again and carefully check each of them myself.

Before I tear this apart again, Is there anything else besides the laterals that could be allow debris to escape through the filter?
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If your not getting DE in the pool, then your filter should not be broken, and the DE will help the filter remove all that stuff. The sand might need to be cleaned though. If it’s broken, I’m not sure, I think some filters have this tube on the top and if it’s not right it could shoot stuff into the pool... but you should research your particular filter first.
 
Orion7319 said:
If your not getting DE in the pool, then your filter should not be broken, and the DE will help the filter remove all that stuff. The sand might need to be cleaned though. If it’s broken, I’m not sure, I think some filters have this tube on the top and if it’s not right it could shoot stuff into the pool... but you should research your particular filter first.
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Whoops! I was trying to type fast on my way into work.

I am now getting de in the pool.
 
Orion7319 said:
Lol! I was hoping I hadn’t mistyped something and steered you wrong!
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Nope! Just me having an early Senior Moment.


kimkats said:
How old is the filter? I wonder if the gasket called a spider gasket is needing replace?
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I'm not sure, actually. I am running the filter now on recirculate only, just to see if more shows up. Is there a way to determine if the gasket is no good before tearing it apart?
 
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@kimkats I don't understand what you mean. Are you asking if I can collect the backwash water?


Also, I let the pool run on recirculate only for about 6 hours, and the crud is still appearing in the center of the pool. I would think, if a broken lateral was the problem, it wouldn't happen on recirc. This brings us to the spider gear, or to the worlds most persistent Algea.

When I deep cleaned the filter, I removed the valve and left all the plumbing connected. With the valve closed, water did leak slowly from the return jet back into the valve. I can't find a breakdown of the hayward valve, but to me if it's closed, shouldn't it prevent water from passing through in both directions? I'm going to contact Hayward, this might confirm the spider gear is faulty.
 
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Just a 5:00pm update.

I went into the pool after work and collected the gunk out. For the first time in I don't know how long, it doesn't Poof! I don't know what that means, but that was after running on recirculate.

I've turned the pump back to filter, and am going to post an update tonight if it still poofs or not. But I'm really thinking that this isn't an algae problem anymore, its some type of filtering issue. I will post photo's later on.
 

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