Between 25 and 50 feet is common, up to 100 usually is not a problem. Elevation creates some issues.
1963 pool resurection
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really? I briefly mentioned it to guy #2 and he said its too far away. what would the problem be? wear and tear on the pump and or heater? code?
You can put the equipment almost anywhere. Straight runs will add a very little head loss in the overall picture which will reduce the flow some. Up-sizing the pipe completely removes that concern.
It does not add any wear and tear on the equipment.
The heater may not add quite as much heat to the pool due to losses in the longer pipe under the ground.
It does not add any wear and tear on the equipment.
The heater may not add quite as much heat to the pool due to losses in the longer pipe under the ground.
thanks jblizzle. I think the convenience factor outways a little head loss. I guess i could run 2 1/2" pipe instead of 2" and maybe 3" for the spa? the heater would likely only be used for the spa (7' round) and will be 400k raypak so it should be ok. a Pentair vsp pump (3hp) should handle it and also thinking about some solar heat for the pool, is that a potential problem?
the extra length is a straight shot to the spa and shallow end of the pool so we wont be using any 90's the returns and drains could be sweeps as well along the sides.
since I plan on automation in the form of easytouch 4 function control pool/spa combo with ic40 and screen logic interface and wireless connection kit having the equipment away from the pool shouldn't be an issue.
am I correct to assume this?
I wonder why he said no then? I cant think of any issues with code.
the extra length is a straight shot to the spa and shallow end of the pool so we wont be using any 90's the returns and drains could be sweeps as well along the sides.
since I plan on automation in the form of easytouch 4 function control pool/spa combo with ic40 and screen logic interface and wireless connection kit having the equipment away from the pool shouldn't be an issue.
am I correct to assume this?
I wonder why he said no then? I cant think of any issues with code.
Nothing you said gives me any concern. Those larger pipes should be fine if not overkill ... won't hurt anything though.
The one worry about having the equipment in the garage is what another person is facing-Cleaning the filter and such. Where does the water go? Just something to think about.
How exciting that Pool guy2 thinks it can be done at all!
Kim
How exciting that Pool guy2 thinks it can be done at all!
Kim
Yes Kim it's great news for us. The garage is very low on my list of places to put equipment. Side of house is on top of that list. Just need to figure out if there is any reason not to be located that far away from the pool or that close to the house.
I will be talking to guy #2 this week about it as I am still waiting on some numbers from him to make sure he will be the one to do the work. I have a back up guy if necessary.
Things are looking good.
I will be talking to guy #2 this week about it as I am still waiting on some numbers from him to make sure he will be the one to do the work. I have a back up guy if necessary.
Things are looking good.
now thinking about pipes.
one skimmer all the way to the pad 2"
split main drain all the way to the pad 2"
three returns to pool all the way to pad 2"?
one drain spa all the way to pad 2"?
one return spa all the way to pad 3" 6-8 jets in spa
possible solar 2"
sound ok? or overkill? is this going to create a problem at the pad with space issues?
what about autofill, is it worth having?
thinking about robot cleaner
one skimmer all the way to the pad 2"
split main drain all the way to the pad 2"
three returns to pool all the way to pad 2"?
one drain spa all the way to pad 2"?
one return spa all the way to pad 3" 6-8 jets in spa
possible solar 2"
sound ok? or overkill? is this going to create a problem at the pad with space issues?
what about autofill, is it worth having?
thinking about robot cleaner
For the spa, you get more benefit with a larger suction line than the return line.
Jblizzle- really? I was unaware of that. I thought I needed a bigger return for the jets.
Any recommendation?
You have been very helpful in this project.
Am I also supposed to keep a good balance on pipe sizes? I thought I saw that on hydraulics 101.
Does the rest seem ok? I have only one chance to get it right. I really only (think) I know what I've learned here. I've never had a pool with water in it before.
Any recommendation?
You have been very helpful in this project.
Am I also supposed to keep a good balance on pipe sizes? I thought I saw that on hydraulics 101.
Does the rest seem ok? I have only one chance to get it right. I really only (think) I know what I've learned here. I've never had a pool with water in it before.
The head loss on the suction line is more important than the pressure side. In fact if the head loss on the return is lower than the suction line, that can lead to cavitation ... or something like that. Let's see if I can get Mark to take a look and comment.
- May 3, 2007
- 18,076
- Pool Size
- 20000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
With a spa (6+ jets), you want at least 2 1/2" on both suction and return and it would help to go 3" on both if you plan on 8 jets.
I like my auto-fill, but I have a lot more evaporation than you.
Some members do not like them as they may mask a leak for awhile before you notice.
Some members do not like them as they may mask a leak for awhile before you notice.
Auto fill is awesome. Would never be without it. If your water bill is too high you can turn it off to check for leaks. Otherwise, no worries and no hoses!
So autofill is probably a good thing to have if you can shut it off I take it.
How about overflow? Is that a standard? Would you pipe it to a drain to the street?
How about overflow? Is that a standard? Would you pipe it to a drain to the street?
I am rural, so my overflow just directs the water down the hill away from the pool. Definitely need an overflow to move the water to a suitable drainage location.
Ok. Looking good.
Now, how about spa jets? And returns , skimmers , misc parts I may be forgetting.
Anyone care to offer any opinions on any of that stuff?
This may be a dumb question but do I also need a skimmer for the spa? I dont see how it would work on an 18" raised spa. Wouldn't the spill over compensate for that?
Now, how about spa jets? And returns , skimmers , misc parts I may be forgetting.
Anyone care to offer any opinions on any of that stuff?
This may be a dumb question but do I also need a skimmer for the spa? I dont see how it would work on an 18" raised spa. Wouldn't the spill over compensate for that?
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pool guy #2 came by today with some numbers. hes at around $35k total. his contract was pretty vague as to what charges were associated to each part of the job, for example 7' spa addition with 8 jets, plumbing, electrical, etc. I asked him if he could write it up in line items so I could see what the charges were and for what specifically for equipment, pipe sizes and # of runs, etc. so I could have a clear understanding of what the finished product will be before signing any contracts.
he didn't seem to want me to supply my own equipment and we talked about it. he upcharges for installation cost and transport. i'm still working on that one.
he said he has never run any pipe over 2 1/2" but could do whatever I wanted. I think he thought I was crazy asking for 3" for the spa. also doesn't seem to care for the spot I want to place equipment. (up to 75' from pool/spa)
I like this guy and he has definitely put some time in researching with the building dept. and making some drawings to show. he does come recommended and all so I hope we can sort things out. he deserves the job but I do have a back up guy if needed who has no problem allowing me to do any part of the work I can to cut costs and not only offered me to buy equipment but match it or beat it if he could get it cheaper. for his cost.
bit of a dilemma at the moment but hope it all works out on its own. no rush. just have to see how it goes...
he didn't seem to want me to supply my own equipment and we talked about it. he upcharges for installation cost and transport. i'm still working on that one.
he said he has never run any pipe over 2 1/2" but could do whatever I wanted. I think he thought I was crazy asking for 3" for the spa. also doesn't seem to care for the spot I want to place equipment. (up to 75' from pool/spa)
I like this guy and he has definitely put some time in researching with the building dept. and making some drawings to show. he does come recommended and all so I hope we can sort things out. he deserves the job but I do have a back up guy if needed who has no problem allowing me to do any part of the work I can to cut costs and not only offered me to buy equipment but match it or beat it if he could get it cheaper. for his cost.
bit of a dilemma at the moment but hope it all works out on its own. no rush. just have to see how it goes...