Connecting a Pentair Superflow VST pump to my Easytouch

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The Easytouch manual doesn't address how to connect this particular pump nor does the pump manual.
I have a Easytouch 4. 2 relays are available. I have the RS 485 black cable with 8 pins.
On page 6 of the pump manual it explains how to connect the pump via "External Control via Digital Inputs and on page 7 it explains "Using an External Input Signal".
I'm not sure which method of connecting the pump I use.
Thanks for any help.
 
Green and yellow wires connect to EasyTouch RS-485 comm block...

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Jimrahbe said:
Tim,

The pump gets constant AC power and is controlled by being connected to the RS-485 com port at J20 on your EasyTouch..

Thanks,

Jim R.
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Thanks Jim. I just got off the phone with Pentair and they said I can use the instructions from the Easytouch manual for connecting a IntelliFlow VS pump. The only connection I will make is as you said the yellow and green wires to the J20 com port. I will probably have additional questions.
However I noticed when the pump runs at a speed of 1400 rpm there is not enough flow for the SWG as I see the red low flow light on the SWG is on.
 
timjet said:
However I noticed when the pump runs at a speed of 1400 rpm there is not enough flow for the SWG as I see the red low flow light on the SWG is on.
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Tim,

Sounds normal to me... You have a heater, and it sounds like you have an In-Floor-Cleaning-System (IFCS), and spillover spa, all running from one small VS pump...

You do not list your filter, but that can also decrease flow depending on what you have..

Since you are in Florida, I suspect it is about the size of a soda can.. :mrgreen:

I suspect that you will need to run at 1800 or so to close the flow switch..

Not to pile on, but a 20K cell, in a 15K pool, is about half the size we would recommend.. It will work, but you have to run it longer and harder than you would if it were an IC40.

Is this a new build, or just a new-to-you pool??

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
The pool was here when we bought the house, probably built around 1994. I do have an IC 40 SWG, I corrected that in my signature.
I recall when talking to the Pentair CS he mentioned the pump should always receive power. That is not how it is currently connected to my Easytouch. Currently the Easytouch controls the on/off function of the pump through the #1 relay turning power on and off to the pump. Do I need to supply power directly to the new pump and program the on/off times in Easytouch? In that way the pump would always receive power.
 

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Tim,

The fix is simple.. Just move the pump wires from the Load side over to the Line side of the Pump/Filter relay.

This will send constant AC power to the pump.. But.. Make sure the SWCG transformer (Power Center) is powered from the Load side.. This keeps the cell off if the pump is not supposed to be running,

If not sure... Show me a pic of the wiring, relays and breakers inside your EasyTouch.

Edit.. Yes, once you have the pump controlled by the EasyTouch, all schedules and pump speeds have to be set up in the EasyTouch..

Do you have ScreenLogic?? Pentair Remote? or just the little LCD on the panel??

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
Thanks again Jim. I have the pump wired directly to the CB and the transformer for the SWG remains connected to the #1 relay as shown in the picture. On the pump display I have the pump address assigned to pump 1. So now starting on page 32 of the Easytouch manual and substituting my Superflow VST pump for the Inteliflow VS pump in the manual I will try and program the start and stop times and run rpm for 2 run rpms and not use the 3rd run time. Any suggestions on what rpm to start the pump at each morning and then when to up or lower the rpm for the 2nd run time?
I have the remote indoor display that I will use for programming.
 

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Your Intellichlor is not going to get any power if you do not have anything connecting to the LINE screws of the filter pump relay.

You need to connect the CB to the filter pump relay LINE screws and connect the VS pump to the LINE screws.

Put the CB wire on the left side of a screw and the pump wire under the right side of the screw/

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Tim,

Looking at your pic, the SWCG transformer will never get any AC power.. This is because there is no AC power going into the Pump/Filter relay.

These relays work by putting power in on pins 1 and 3 (Line side pins) and then getting AC power out of pins 2 and 4 (Load Side pins..)

You need to connect the breaker back up to pins 1 and 3 and then wire your pump to pins 1 and 3..

Programing wise, I would set up your Pool Circuit for 8 am until 8 am at 1800 rpm and see how it goes. This will run the pump 24/7 at 1800..

You can always change the schedule, but initially running 24/7 eliminates many initial programming issues.

Once you have that set up and running we can add more speeds and schedules..


Thanks,

Jim R.
 
Yup SWG didn't work. Seems I should have recognized that no relay will work without supply power. So I wired it slightly different with the pump wires directly from the CB and a jumper wire from the CB to the relay as shown in the picture. I'm not sure 1800 rpm will be enough to power the pool sweep I will check it out and get back.
 

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timjet said:
Yup SWG didn't work. Seems I should have recognized that no relay will work without supply power. So I wired it slightly different with the pump wires directly from the CB and a jumper wire from the CB to the relay as shown in the picture. I'm not sure 1800 rpm will be enough to power the pool sweep I will check it out and get back.
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It is against the code to put two wires connected to a CB like that.

Connect the two wires at the LINE screws and not the CB.
 
Tim,

The whole point of having an automation system is that you can run it at different speeds at different times..

The key in my mind is that you don't ever want to run your pump, unless you are making chlorine.. So find out what speed just turns on your cell.. Add about 100 rpm and call that the slowest speed you ever want to run.. Assign that speed to the Pool Circuit. And (initially) schedule Pool for 24/7 (8am until 8am)

Then you can start adding speeds using Feature Circuits.. Say you need 2000 to make your cleaner work then assign 2000 to that Feature Circuit,,

When the pump sees two or more speeds at the same time, it will always run the faster speed.

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
I determined the minimum speed for the SWG is 2200 rpm. I have that set under Menu > Settings > IntelliFlow > Pump 1 > RPM: 2200 Circuit (POOL). I don't really have an understanding of Circuits. The pump run schedule is set to run from 10 am to 4 pm and as I have it set now the pump will run at 2200 from 10 to 4 if my understanding is correct.
However that pump rpm is to slow for the pool sweep and I'd like the pump to run at 3000 rpm for say 2 hrs from 10 am to noon then drop back to 2200 until the schedule off time of 4 pm.
How would I do that.
Also I would probably want the pump to run at a higher speed than 2200 when the pool heat is on and probably when the spa heat is on.
Thanks a lot for your help.
 
Tim,

Set up a Feature Circuit and name it whatever you want.. Say "cleaner".. The Circuit Name will not make it do anything, it is just a name that you can remember.. Do NOT change the Circuit Function which should be Generic..

Then go to the same page you assigned the Pool Circuit to 2200 and assign your new "Cleaner" Circuit to 3000.

Then Schedule Cleaner to run the hours you want.. The pump will speed up at 10 am and drop back at noon.

You can do more speeds if you want.. Just make sure the Pool Circuit is on all the time that you want the pump to run that day..

Each "Circuit" can only have one speed.. That is why Pool is your lowest speed and then you have to keep adding additional speeds using the Feature Circuits.

If you run into any other questions, just ask...

Thanks,

Jim R.
 

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