Pool Company Troubles

chrisg7

Active member
Aug 28, 2023
42
Dallas TX
Pool Size
12000
Surface
Fiberglass
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
Hi everyone,

I’m new here and I’m a first-time pool owner as of 5 months ago when we bought our current house. My Dad told me this was the best site to learn about how to maintain a pool and to get your pool questions answered. I’ve found that to be true as well after going through Pool School and reading the forums.

When we first moved in, since we had never had a pool before, I hired a local pool company (top pool builder and weekly maintenance company in the area) to manage my pool. I figured I didn’t know much about pools and needed all the help I could get. I paid $75/week for the service of adding chemicals and cleaning the pool.

Recently I bought a new Taylor test kit recommended by this site because I felt I needed to have some idea of what was going on with the pool myself and I also have a Sundance Spa that I maintain.

When I first tested my pool water about 2 weeks ago using the kit, the FC was 17 and the CYA was well over 100. I knew those numbers were way too high from reading on this site.

The pool company came out and said my test kit wasn’t accurate. They were calculating an FC of around 8 and a CYA of around 50.

I thought they were probably right because I was new at this.

I tested again a week later and got similar readings. Meanwhile, they kept adding trichlor tabs to my floater each week.

I told them again that I thought I had problems and they sent a supervisor out. His test kit also read FC = ~8-10 and CYA = 50-60. He told me the pool was fine and that I probably had chlorine lock and they would come out next week to dump “a boatload” of chlorine in the pool to try to break the lock.

As I kept reading on this site, I felt something was off with what they were saying. I thought either my test kit was way off or something else was going on. I decided to take a water sample to a pool store to see if I was totally crazy or if my test kit was accurate. I know it’s advised here not to trust the pool store’s testing machine but I thought it could give me some decent data just to tell me if my kit was off.

Pool store’s readings:
FC = 19
CYA = 119
TA = 56
pH = 7.4
CH = 166

These readings confirmed to me that my kit was indeed accurate & the pool guy’s kit was the one that was off. I immediately called the pool company and told them I’d be discontinuing service for now and was going to attempt to manage it on my own. It was this site that gave me the confidence to do this. So, thanks to all of you who regularly contribute.

Here are my 2 questions now that I’m trying to resolve:

1. High CYA - I’ve read here that because I have a fiberglass pool, I should not attempt to drain it on my own due to potential damage to the shell. I did drain it down about a foot and replenished with new water but CYA didn’t move much. What should I do now? Is my only option to drain/fill at the same time for 30+ hours (based on my hose capacity of 6 gallons per minute)? Or is there another option you’d recommend?

2. When I bought the house 5 months ago, the pool floor looked great. But after several months of using this pool company, there are now circular tears in the gel coat at the bottom and black stains (cobalt I think?) around each of the tears that I can’t remove with the brush. Am I probably going to need a new gel coat? The current gel coat is 9 years old. Could these tears have possibly come from the pool company dumping the Muriatic Acid out in the middle of the water rather than following the process here? I didn’t see any of these 5 months ago when we moved here.

Sorry for the long post but I thought some context might help.

Thank you so much for all the help you’ve already given me through this site and any additional help you can give me with my current issues.
 
The pool company came out and said my test kit wasn’t accurate. They were calculating an FC of around 8 and a CYA of around 50.

I thought they were probably right because I was new at this.
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He told me the pool was fine and that I probably had chlorine lock
So which on is it ? They don't even realize they contradict themselves with their nonsense.

Fire. Them. All.

We got you now.
1. High CYA - I’ve read here that because I have a fiberglass pool, I should not attempt to drain it on my own due to potential damage to the shell
Do you know where your water table is ? That's the risk. Popping the half empty pool like a boat floating. Without being able to guarantee the ground water is low enough, or no monsoons happen during the process, a no drain exchange is reccomended. Read more here :


Could these tears have possibly come from the pool company dumping the Muriatic Acid out in the middle of the water rather than following the process here? I didn’t see any of these 5 months ago when we moved here.
Hard to tell. Got pics ? Even then it might be hard to tell, or just regular stains that would have happened either way.


Aw jeez. Please forgive my terrible manners. Welcome to TFP !!! I got so excited about getting to use a Homer gif and I jumped the gun.
 
Hi everyone,

I’m new here and I’m a first-time pool owner as of 5 months ago when we bought our current house. My Dad told me this was the best site to learn about how to maintain a pool and to get your pool questions answered. I’ve found that to be true as well after going through Pool School and reading the forums.

When we first moved in, since we had never had a pool before, I hired a local pool company (top pool builder and weekly maintenance company in the area) to manage my pool. I figured I didn’t know much about pools and needed all the help I could get. I paid $75/week for the service of adding chemicals and cleaning the pool.

Recently I bought a new Taylor test kit recommended by this site because I felt I needed to have some idea of what was going on with the pool myself and I also have a Sundance Spa that I maintain.

When I first tested my pool water about 2 weeks ago using the kit, the FC was 17 and the CYA was well over 100. I knew those numbers were way too high from reading on this site.

The pool company came out and said my test kit wasn’t accurate. They were calculating an FC of around 8 and a CYA of around 50.

I thought they were probably right because I was new at this.

I tested again a week later and got similar readings. Meanwhile, they kept adding trichlor tabs to my floater each week.

I told them again that I thought I had problems and they sent a supervisor out. His test kit also read FC = ~8-10 and CYA = 50-60. He told me the pool was fine and that I probably had chlorine lock and they would come out next week to dump “a boatload” of chlorine in the pool to try to break the lock.

As I kept reading on this site, I felt something was off with what they were saying. I thought either my test kit was way off or something else was going on. I decided to take a water sample to a pool store to see if I was totally crazy or if my test kit was accurate. I know it’s advised here not to trust the pool store’s testing machine but I thought it could give me some decent data just to tell me if my kit was off.

Pool store’s readings:
FC = 19
CYA = 119
TA = 56
pH = 7.4
CH = 166

These readings confirmed to me that my kit was indeed accurate & the pool guy’s kit was the one that was off. I immediately called the pool company and told them I’d be discontinuing service for now and was going to attempt to manage it on my own. It was this site that gave me the confidence to do this. So, thanks to all of you who regularly contribute.

Here are my 2 questions now that I’m trying to resolve:

1. High CYA - I’ve read here that because I have a fiberglass pool, I should not attempt to drain it on my own due to potential damage to the shell. I did drain it down about a foot and replenished with new water but CYA didn’t move much. What should I do now? Is my only option to drain/fill at the same time for 30+ hours (based on my hose capacity of 6 gallons per minute)? Or is there another option you’d recommend?

2. When I bought the house 5 months ago, the pool floor looked great. But after several months of using this pool company, there are now circular tears in the gel coat at the bottom and black stains (cobalt I think?) around each of the tears that I can’t remove with the brush. Am I probably going to need a new gel coat? The current gel coat is 9 years old. Could these tears have possibly come from the pool company dumping the Muriatic Acid out in the middle of the water rather than following the process here? I didn’t see any of these 5 months ago when we moved here.

Sorry for the long post but I thought some context might help.

Thank you so much for all the help you’ve already given me through this site and any additional help you can give me with my current issues.
Welcome. The pool companies test results of 9-10 isn’t surprising given that those common kits only measure chlorine up to 10ppm anyway (5ppm really).

The only way to get rid of CYA is replacing it with fresh water or waiting it out in heat and splash out for a few months (or longer). I only say that because it’s crazy hot in Texas the past few months and if your CYA is really only 100 and it’ll be hot for a bit longer that may help. The issue is you’ll need to chlorinate accordingly following the FC/CYA chart.

Have you done the diluted CYA test to see if you are perhaps higher than 100ppm? It’s wise to do so when readings are at the top of the scale like that.
 
Welcome toTFP! :wave:

Post a full set of current test results from your K-2006C test kit.
FC
CC
pH
TA
CH
CYA
Water temperature

We believe your testing from the K-2006C test kit over the pool store or pool guy.
Have a read thru the extended test kit directions to assure yourself you are doing the tests correctly.
If you have any questions after reviewing the extended test kit directions, just ask.
 
Welcome to TFP.

Our No Drain Water Exchange solves your problem of how to lower your CYA without putting your fiberglass pool at risk.

Read Draining - Further Reading

Get your CYA down before you spend much time messing with chemical balance.

@Texas Splash @mknauss are the best to advise you about your FG pool floor problems.
 
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Without a bit more, as others have chimed in, it's hard to say how to proceed. A full set of results, plus a diluted CYA test is really important.

I'm going to jump the gun and tell you to go ahead and buy a Salt Water Chlorine Generator (SWCG.) A SWCG is a must-have in the DFW area, and you're going to buy one anyway, so you might as well do it now.

If your results are somewhat in line, it might be possible to just add the SWCG (which takes care of 9-10 months of the year of chlorine need) without dumping a lot of water. In summer, a CYA of 80-90 works well for full-sun DFW pools, so you may not be in too bad of a place. But let's see those results.
 
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Thanks to all of you who posted. I just ran all the tests requested and here are my results:

Taylor K-2006 Test Kit
11.5 FC + 1 CC
7.6 pH
110 Alk
220 CH
100-120 CYA (did diluted test & black dot disappeared between 50-60 on the tube, multiplied by 2)
Pool Temp: 85

Additional thoughts from everyone with these readings? Drain & refill or leave it? I’ve considered an SWG but would like to wait if possible.

Thank you so much!
 
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100-120 CYA
You will want this down to 70 or 80 to be able to wait it out to come down the rest of the way slowly. Always over estimate the drain as mixing or miscalculating gallons makes it under produce. So a 42% drain would get 120 to 70, but aim for a 60% water exchange. If you over produce somehow, then woohoo and you're closer to the 40 or so eventual target.
 

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Can you define ‘tears’.
I’ll try to get a picture posted here tonight when the sun goes down and you can see it from the side of the pool better. Essentially it’s a small circular shaped part of the top layer that’s missing. In other words, if you ran your finger across it, it would dip when you got to the tear and then come back up at the end of the tear. You can see part of the upper layer is missing there. I hesitate to call it a hole because it’s just missing some of the top layer in those 10-20 spots on the bottom of the pool. Most of the spots are about dime to nickel size. And each of the spots have a black stain beside them. I’m not sure if this explanation helps at all.
 
Not likely from the acid. Just failed gel coat. Live with it until you want to re gel coat or use a different coating.
 
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Can you define ‘tears’.
Chipped paint might be another way to describe how it looks.
Not likely from the acid. Just failed gel coat. Live with it until you want to re gel coat or use a different coating.
About how often do you see gel coats needing to be replaced? This one was replaced 9 years ago. Should it have lasted longer than this? Thank you!
 
Without a bit more, as others have chimed in, it's hard to say how to proceed. A full set of results, plus a diluted CYA test is really important.

I'm going to jump the gun and tell you to go ahead and buy a Salt Water Chlorine Generator (SWCG.) A SWCG is a must-have in the DFW area, and you're going to buy one anyway, so you might as well do it now.

If your results are somewhat in line, it might be possible to just add the SWCG (which takes care of 9-10 months of the year of chlorine need) without dumping a lot of water. In summer, a CYA of 80-90 works well for full-sun DFW pools, so you may not be in too bad of a place. But let's see those results.
I posted some of my pool readings below. Appreciate your thoughts also being a fellow DFW’er. Agree that I need a drain/replace or have you found other ways to reduce it in this area? Thanks so much!
 
You probably bought the property with the gel coat the way it is but when the water chemistry was better it wasn't noticeable.
You’re probably right. It definitely wasn’t stained at the bottom when I bought it. I wonder if the tears were there but stains resulted from chemicals not being balanced correctly? And now stains won’t come up.
 
This may help...

 
Do you have trees nearby? Almost looks like tannin staining. As for the CYA, you're in control now. Good on you. :goodjob: When I joined TFP my CYA was high. I just did several water exchanges to get it down to the 70-80 range and managed it from there. One day TX will see rain again and that's a great opportunity to lower the water level in advance to take advantage of some fresh water. You got this!
 
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