unexplained CYA loss or bad test reagent

agonista

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Jun 21, 2023
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Tampa, FL, US
I'm having a strange issue with CYA level in my 26K gal pool: I am observing a steadily decreasing level of CYA over the past few days via the Taylor K-2006 CYA test.

The recent history of this pool is that I took over maintenance a couple weeks ago and found that it had no detectable CYA level, which neatly explains the phenomenon described by the prior 2 pool maintainers that claimed they couldn't get the pool to retain chlorine. I then raised the CYA to 40 by adding 8.2 lbs of granular CYA to it, performed a 6 day SLAM where I vacuumed to waste several times, and have been keeping the pool at 5-8 ppm FC for the past 5 days. After vacuuming to waste several times, I likely cycled ~20% of the water out of the pool and refilled it using a mix of untreated well water and softened water. The CYA level was 30 immediately after completing the SLAM 5 days ago.

Since completing the SLAM, I have been monitoring the FC loss and it was above 5 ppm / day at CYA of 30. I have added 2.05 lb of granular CYA twice in the past 5 days, with the goal of reducing the FC loss rate. At first, I saw the CYA go from 30 to 40 after adding the first 2 lbs, but since adding the second 2 lbs, the test kit shows CYA *dropping*, which I found very surprising. I tested this morning after adding the 2 x 2 lbs of CYA over the past 2 days, which I would expect to show CYA of 50 (30 + 10 + 10). Instead I'm seeing a CYA of 30. I am reticent to continue adding CYA since I know reducing CYA often requires a partial draining of the pool.

A potentially relevant piece of information here is that I have a Taylor K-2006 kit, which only came with enough test reagent for 6 CYA tests. I ordered a 16 oz refill container of the CYA test reagent and have been using this reagent for recent tests. Since my searches of the forum suggest that it's not possible to suddenly start losing 10 ppm CYA / day, is it possible that this reagent refill I ordered has gone bad? Is there a way I can test if the reagent is bad?

Any insights here are welcome, thanks for reading.
 
The cya reagent is one of the most stable reagents if stored properly.
There should be an expiration date on it somewhere .
I too buy the large bottle & store it in a dark cool place only opening it to refill my smaller bottle. It was running low so I ordered a new bottle at the beginning of the season & the new bottle results were indeed a scootch higher than those recently taken with the old bottle. The only way to know is to get more that you know is fresh & compare.
Tftest kits guarantees their reagents are fresh. Other vendors may store theirs improperly & you have no way of knowing.
 
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Give it a week. Adding it like that directly to the skimmer dramatically slows its showing up in the water. A small portion may never dissolve as it sits in the no flow area at the bottom of your cartridge filter.

In the future, use the sock method TFPC recommends.
 
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There are issues from time to time where we have members complaints about the CYA not producing the results expected for which I've seen this myself too. Change the brand would be one way to know what's going on. Secondly testing too early won't necessarily show yet.
I have just re-read the instructions for CYA testing from the blog and I think this could be related to my not being strict about controlling the conditions for CYA test:

"Stand outdoors with your back to the sun and hold the view tube at about waist level. If sunlight is not available, find the brightest artificial light you can."

I am now reading CYA of 40 by following these instructions more strictly. It wasn't very sunny yesterday and this seems to have a non-trivial effect on the test.
 
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Give it a week. Adding it like that directly to the skimmer dramatically slows its showing up in the water. A small portion may never dissolve as it sits in the no flow area at the bottom of your cartridge filter.

In the future, use the sock method TFPC recommends.
Since I have to add 2.05 lbs per 10 ppm increase, this doesn't fit easily in a single sock. Is the answer here "many socks", or is there another kind of suggested porous container for larger amounts?
 
A knee high pantyhose should hold 2 pounds. Or an old T shirt.

With warm flowing water, a hairnet put in the skimmer basket and then the stabilizer put into that in small batches works too.
 
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The chances of CYA testing reagent going bad are miniscule to none. It is melamine, an inert reagent which should not deteriorate.

The chances of the TEST for CYA being troublesome, on the other hand, are 100%. We like to think that we can expect plus or minus 10 ppm on the test result but that is not always the case. It is a difficult test to pin down but CYA in your pool can, luckily, vary quite a bit and still provide some benefit.

I think the best way to measure CYA is to calculate the dosage carefully and then believe that dose has changed your pool as you expected it would. Follow that up in a day or so with your CYA test and the result should be pretty close to what you expected. If not, post your results on the forum and we'll work on an answer.
 
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