Pool sharing in the time of Coronavirus

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My pool is 74 degrees and swimmable. We are on lockdown here in Austin TX but I am thinking of inviting friends and neighbors to share my pool as a relief from being locked in all the time. We would still maintain social distancing - one family unit using the pool at a time, and we would not invite them into the house.

I did read the article on covid and it seems the advice is to maintain normal pool sanitation.

What do people think of this plan?
 

That is not maintaining effective social distancing.

All the surfaces guests touch around the pool can become contaminated if they are infected. It is a risk to others who then touch the surface.

Covid virus can be on surfaces for days...

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I would ask your insurance company what they think of this plan. My GUT says so long as no money changes hands.....it may be good to go.

Me? I would not do it :( BUT if you do decide to do it they have to bring chlorine wipes to wipe down everything before they leave and take their wipes with them as well. Their own towels and such. I would also have a spray bottle of bleach water (1 b to 10 w ) to spray behind them.
 
I wouldn’t do that..just enjoy your pool.

I’m told UV light is brutal on the virus (About 3hrs). But don’t open yourself to liability. People are stupid and will inevitably do stupid things. Gotta think about more than covid though...drownings, etc should be a concern if your aren’t hanging out keeping a keen eye. With my previous insurer and previous pool I was told “as long as you don’t make it “okay” for your neighborhood kids to jump in your pool as they see fit, your liability is not an issue” of course this is Texas, and one insurers opinion is not law.

anywho, I say don’t do it.
 
I think anytime you have to consider if something is ok regarding COVID, it’s because it probably isn’t. Doesn’t pass the smell test for me.
 
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Meh, I think you just have to use your best judgement. 3 different families in the same day is a bad idea... 3 different families spaced out over a 2 week period seems fine to me. I wouldnt supply towels, pool toys, etc either.

I'm assuming you are only doing this for close personal friends you really know and trust, know their travel history, know they have been social distancing, etc.

Obviously I'm in the minority here, but figured I would share my 2 cents.

PS - Have them sweeten the pot with 2 rolls of TP per swimmer too :)
 
Thanks all for the responses!

I should have been more clear on the “who” in this. I am talking 5th graders with their parents who are family friends, in a defined period; not random kids goofing around unsupervised whenever! People who have been here before and who know my pool rules (and I can remind them before they come). So I am not concerned about liability.

@ajw22 I hadn’t thought about sanitizing tables and chairs, handrails, etc. good point - but they can be sanitized easily. I’m not worried about the deckNot sure about coping though. As @mrcarcrazy said I was thinking that drying out and UV would take care of porous surfaces.
@kimkats I am definitely not supplying towels, Spray bottle of bleach a good idea.

@JJ_Tex my thinking is closest to yours, maybe it’s a Texas thing, although I respect that the “no’s” are coming from states that are hit harder than us.
 

The hardships were all facing are small when compared to the issues that can come if there’s not a stop to this. The unknowns are HUGE at this point, even if they are family friends. Reach out in other ways instead. Hop on Amazon and purchase them a play pool or some water toys instead. Nerf guns, water balloons, on and on and on. This will pass, and once it does open those door wide open for them with a huge cookout....... but not just yet.
 

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Another way to look at this is this virus can do some really bad things to some people. Problem is we don't know much about how and we keep finding new information about who can be hurt. But it has a huge weakness. It has no arms, legs, hands, feet. The only way it can get into you is you put it in your body. Don't get near it and don't let it near you until we clear up all the unknowns. Then everything will be fine.

My $.02 only.
 
Im another vote for no. The more people you have around you, and that you bring in from the outside, the more you have what they have touched where they have been. This virus is nothing to play with. Is 14 days of social distancing really that difficult if it means slowing down or even ending the spread of this thing?
 
Doing such things is also contagious. People see you hosting and do it too. Not the behavior we are trying to encourage.
 
If it’s people you have known and they haven’t been exposed I vote yes.
Kids need to play and have fun, kids are playing together outside in my neighborhood all day here.
Like mentioned tell them bring their own towels and maybe add a little more chlorine :)
 
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The idea behind limiting contact is to limit interaction beyond the group of people you normally see on a regular basis. A bunch of 5th graders and their parents will extend the contact to a group beyond your normal familial contacts. Do you know or have control over who the 5th graders and thier families have contact with? I think not. That is how transmission spreads... Dare I quote the Kevin Bacon rule? ...my vote would be no.

@ajw22 Allen, I have not seen that chart before. Here's the link if anyone is interested.
 
The idea behind limiting contact is to limit interaction beyond the group of people you normally see on a regular basis. A bunch of 5th graders and their parents will extend the contact to a group beyond your normal familial contacts. Do you know or have control over who the 5th graders and thier families have contact with? I think not. That is how transmission spreads... Dare I quote the Kevin Bacon rule? ...my vote would be no.

@ajw22 Allen, I have not seen that chart before. Here's the link if anyone is interested.

NOPE!!

Social distancing applies to isolating family units and not increasing exposure any further than that . From a Yale epidemiologist -

Perspective from Jonathan Smith, an award-winning lecturer in Epidemiology of Microbial Diseases and Global Health at Yale University School of Public Health. His research focuses on infectious disease transmission dynamics and he is an affiliate of the Yale Global Health Leadership Institute and founding director of Visual Epidemiology, a non-profit organization seeking to combine academic discourse with personal narratives through filmmaking:

Hey everybody, as an infectious disease epidemiologist (although a lowly one), at this point feel morally obligated to provide some information on what we are seeing from a transmission dynamic perspective and how they apply to the social distancing measures. Like any good scientist I have noticed two things that are either not articulated or not present in the “literature” of social media. I am also tagging my much smarter infectious disease epidemiologist friends for peer review of this post. Please correct me if I am wrong (any edits are from peer review).

Specifically, I want to make two aspects of these measures very clear and unambiguous.

First, we are in the very infancy of this epidemic’s trajectory. That means even with these measures we will see cases and deaths continue to rise globally, nationally, and in our own communities in the coming weeks. This may lead some people to think that the social distancing measures are not working. They are. They may feel futile. They aren’t. You will feel discouraged. You should. This is normal in chaos. But this is also normal epidemic trajectory. Stay calm. This enemy that we are facing is very good at what it does; we are not failing. We need everyone to hold the line as the epidemic inevitably gets worse. This is not my opinion; this is the unforgiving math of epidemics for which I and my colleagues have dedicated our lives to understanding with great nuance, and this disease is no exception. I want to help the community brace for this impact. Stay strong and with solidarity knowing with absolute certainty that what you are doing is saving lives, even as people begin getting sick and dying. You may feel like giving in. Don’t.

Second, although social distancing measures have been (at least temporarily) well-received, there is an obvious-but-overlooked phenomenon when considering groups (i.e. families) in transmission dynamics. While social distancing decreases contact with members of society, it of course increases your contacts with group (i.e. family) members. This small and obvious fact has surprisingly profound implications on disease transmission dynamics. Study after study demonstrates that even if there is only a little bit of connection between groups (i.e. social dinners, playdates/playgrounds, etc.), the epidemic trajectory isn’t much different than if there was no measure in place. The same underlying fundamentals of disease transmission apply, and the result is that the community is left with all of the social and economic disruption but very little public health benefit. You should perceive your entire family to function as a single individual unit; if one person puts themselves at risk, everyone in the unit is at risk. Seemingly small social chains get large and complex with alarming speed. If your son visits his girlfriend, and you later sneak over for coffee with a neighbor, your neighbor is now connected to the infected office worker that your son’s girlfriend’s mother shook hands with. This sounds silly, it’s not. This is not a joke or a hypothetical. We as epidemiologists see it borne out in the data time and time again and no one listens. Conversely, any break in that chain breaks disease transmission along that chain.

In contrast to hand-washing and other personal measures, social distancing measures are not about individuals, they are about societies working in unison. These measures also take a long time to see the results. It is hard (even for me) to conceptualize how ‘one quick little get together’ can undermine the entire framework of a public health intervention, but it does. I promise you it does. I promise. I promise. I promise. You can’t cheat it. People are already itching to cheat on the social distancing precautions just a “little”- a playdate, a haircut, or picking up a needless item at the store, etc. From a transmission dynamics standpoint, this very quickly recreates a highly connected social network that undermines all of the work the community has done so far.

Until we get a viable vaccine this unprecedented outbreak will not be overcome in one grand, sweeping gesture, rather only by the collection of individual choices our community makes in the coming months. This virus is unforgiving to unwise choices. My goal in writing this is to prevent communities from getting ‘sucker-punched’ by what the epidemiological community knows will happen in the coming weeks. It will be easy to be drawn to the idea that what we are doing isn’t working and become paralyzed by fear, or to ‘cheat’ a little bit in the coming weeks. By knowing what to expect, and knowing the importance of maintaining these measures, my hope is to encourage continued community spirit, strategizing, and action to persevere in this time of uncertainty.
 
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Maybe I am out numbered :) Maybe I have a different picture then other :)

I picture a next door neighbor and their kids swimming. They won't touch anything but their towels and the side of the pool?..They can bring their own chairs or you can wash yours when thy leave?
No evidence of COVAD and pool water but would give it a boost and not let anybody else swim for a few days
They should understand and know not to touch stuff.
I would get an email saying because your not going to be outside with them please understand they are responsible for the kids if anything happens.

My neighborhood is full of 5th graders outside playing so maybe I see it different,

NOW is LA or New York City I would have a different answer :)
 

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