IC40 Solid red light

4x4tx

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Jul 23, 2007
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Greater Houston
Pool Size
17500
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair Intellichlor IC-40
We have a had a ton of rain and I am about to test my salt levels but dont think that is the issue. If it is Red what are the steps to trouble shoot? Unit is only 2.5 years old.
 
If it is Red what are the steps to trouble shoot?
4x4,

I assume the salt light is red...

When the cell thinks the salt level is less than 2800, the salt light will turn red, but still work. If the cell thinks that salt level is below 2600, it will no longer make chlorine.

All saltwater pool owners should have a way to test the 'Actual' salt level of the pool water.. The best way to do that is with a Taylor K-1766 salt test kit and a speed-stir device.

IntelliChlor cells are known to sometimes not be very accurate with their salt testing..

Do you have an automation system, or just a standalone salt system???

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
@Jimrahbe Yes sir just tested it with the exact setup you mentioned and it read 2600 .....which dumbfounds me as I have added more salt in the last 6 months than I have for 2 years. We have a had a ton of rain (and hurricane) so maybe its just diluting it that much but sounds like low salt is my issue.

I have an intellicenter setup
 
Yep I was surprised they were that close.

I added a 40lb bag 13 days ago too.

I went ahead and added 4bags as I’m tired of having to add salt so hopefully this last a while. It may get me over 3600 for a while.
 
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Yep I was surprised they were that close.

I added a 40lb bag 13 days ago too.

I went ahead and added 4bags as I’m tired of having to add salt so hopefully this last a while. It may get me over 3600 for a while.
Reminder: don't run your SWG for at least a day of non-stop circulation after adding salt, especially that much. I usually go a couple days after adding salt.
 
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You said you run 24/7. Did you mean you also run your SWG 24 hours a day? What is your typical SWG output setting?
 
You said you run 24/7. Did you mean you also run your SWG 24 hours a day? What is your typical SWG output setting?
@Dirk yes I do…not sure how you can’t ? But I have it on 60% during the hot summer most of the time which keeps me about 5 fc level
 
Adjust the math accordingly:

24 hours a day X 60% = 14.4 hours a day (number of hours of chlorine production per day)
14.4 hours a day X 365 days = 5,256 hours of production per year
10,000 hours (expected IC40 lifespan) ÷ 5,256 hours per year = 1.9 years

2.5 years old - 1.9 years (expected lifespan) = 0.6 years (you got over a half a year more than you should expect)

This is if you never changed settings year-round. You got an extra half a year probably because you're not running it 60% all year, and/or you turn if off in the winter, but you can see by the math how you might have just simply used up your SWG. The cell is an expendable part, and they are spec'd to produce chlorine for about 10,000 hours.

To answer your other question, to run your SWG some number of hours less than you run your pump, you'd need to have it on a separate timer. Or you can do it with your IntelliCenter, by scheduling pump runtime in two modes, with and without the SWG, for any number of hours each you need.

I know how to do that with an EasyTouch, but not IntelliCenter. If you want to pursue that, we'll connect you up with one of our IntelliCenter experts.
 
Adjust the math accordingly:

24 hours a day X 60% = 14.4 hours a day (number of hours of chlorine production per day)
14.4 hours a day X 365 days = 5,256 hours of production per year
10,000 hours (expected IC40 lifespan) ÷ 5,256 hours per year = 1.9 years

2.5 years old - 1.9 years (expected lifespan) = 0.6 years (you got over a half a year more than you should expect)

This is if you never changed settings year-round. You got an extra half a year probably because you're not running it 60% all year, and/or you turn if off in the winter, but you can see by the math how you might have just simply used up your SWG. The cell is an expendable part, and they are spec'd to produce chlorine for about 10,000 hours.

To answer your other question, to run your SWG some number of hours less than you run your pump, you'd need to have it on a separate timer. Or you can do it with your IntelliCenter, by scheduling pump runtime in two modes, with and without the SWG, for any number of hours each you need.

I know how to do that with an EasyTouch, but not IntelliCenter. If you want to pursue that, we'll connect you up with one of our IntelliCenter experts.
@Dirk ok yes let me know how to program that option in the intellicenter, I was not aware that could be done. Thank you

And yes I dont run it at 60% other than the peak summer of the year and once the water cools it doesnt run at all which is probably 3-4 months a year....so could probably cut your numbers in half .

How exactly can you tell how much "life" the cell has left? I have seen some people post that their cell shows they have hours or life left ?
 
How exactly can you tell how much "life" the cell has left? I have seen some people post that their cell shows they have hours or life left ?
From the owner's manual:

IntelliChlor SCG Usage Hours Meter
The IntelliChlor® SCG provides a built-in cell “usage hours” meter that reports how many hours IntelliChlor has been operating. The IntelliChlor SCG is designed to operate for approximately 10,000 hours before replacement is needed or roughly five (5) years of average use.
To access the system status mode:
  1. Press and hold the MORE button for three (3) seconds until the lights scroll across the unit.
  2. One (1) of the five (5) Sanitizer Output LED indicators (20%, 40%, 60%, 80% and 100%) will be lit,
    indicating the hours of usage. The Output LEDs are as follows:
    • 2000 hours (20% LED on)
    • 4000 hours (40% LED on)
    • 6000 hours (60% LED on)
    • 8000 hours (80% LED on)
    • 10,000 hours (100% LED on)
 
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Basically, here's the long answer...

Your IC40 should be wired to the relay that stays in sync with the Pool Circuit that also controls your pump. So when the IntelliCenter calls for the pump to be on, the Pool Circuit relay closes and sends power to the SWG. This is the safeguard that keeps the SWG from running when the pump is not.

You can create a custom circuit that calls for the pump to run, at whatever speed you want it to run at, but that circuit will not engage the SWG, since it is not the built-in Pool Circuit.

Then you would schedule the Pool Circuit for X hours a day, which will be how many hours a day your SWG will run, and the "Custom" circuit for Y hours a day which will be how many additional hours a day your pump will run without the SWG. That's one way to do it. If you need the specifics of how to do that with your IntelliCenter, we'll find someone that can walk you through the steps.

The simpler way is to just run your Pool Circuit for less hours a day, the number of hours you want the SWG to run. That's what I do.

There are a couple of schools of thought here at TFP. Some of us like to run our pump 24/7, and so run our SWG 24/7, at whatever output % keeps the FC correct. Let's call that camp the Weirdos. The other camp, the one I'm in, let's call them, oh, I dunno, the Geniuses, run our pumps for just the number of hours a day that the SWG needs, output at or close to 100%, to get the FC we want.

Your SWG will require a minimum flow rate (pump RPM) to produce chlorine. So you pay for the electricity to run the pump at that speed. Do you want to pay that rate 24 hours a day, or 6 or 7 hours a day? I prefer to run my pump as little as possible.

Minimum pump runtime (the most cost effective number of hours per day) is usually determined by one of several factors, how many hours of runtime it takes per day to:
- generate enough FC with an SWG, or
- get the pool sanitized enough by distributing liquid chlorine, or
- get the pool warm enough with a gas heater or heat pump, or
- get the pool warm enough with a solar heater, or
- get the spa warm enough, or
- get the pool clear enough through filtering, or
- skim the leaves off the surface, or
- vacuum the crud off the bottom with a non-robot vac, or
- watch various water features (waterfalls, bubblers, etc).
Each of those things will require Z number of hours a day, the one that requires the most hours will determine your pump's minimum runtime, because all the other things will get done within the Z number of hours.

So for example, I can distribute chlorine in about 30 minutes, I don't have any water features or a spa, my SWG needs to run about 6 hours a day, my vac needs to run 1.5 hours a day, and my solar heater needs to run about 8 hours a day. So my minimum runtime is governed by my solar heater: 8 hours a day. During that eight hours, by pool gets warm enough, my SWG has enough hours to generate the FC I need, and my suction-side vac, my skimmer and my filter keep the water clean enough. I don't need to run 24/7, because the pump gets everything done in 8 hours. I set my SWG to the output required to get my FC where it needs to be with eight hours of runtime. My RPMs are determined by my solar heater, which needs the most flow rate to get the pool warm, and that flow rate satisfies the SWG, the skimmer and the vac.

This changes, of course, with the seasons. In the winter, I can run as low as a couple hours a day, because I'm not heating my pool and I don't need much FC, which I achieve by adding liquid chlorine manually. Filtering and skimming get done in that couple of hours, as does distributing that chlorine. My winter flow rate can be a bit lower, because my pump only needs to satisfy the skimming, not the solar heater. So annually I run my pump as little as possible, and so pay for electricity as little as possible.

To belabor, in the summer, I like to run that 8 hours during mid-daylight hours, for two reasons. That's when my solar heater works best, and that's when my FC is burning off the most. So my SWG is "replenishing" my FC during the hours it's most being consumed (by the sun). This keeps my FC stable throughout the day and night, because FC loss in non-daylight hours is close to zero. If you run your SWG 24 hours a day, then during the day, your FC level is going to get a little bit behind, and during the night, your FC level is going to get a bit higher than it needs to, building up enough to get your pool through the next day.

Theoretically, I could run my FC a bit lower than those running 24/7, because I'm only generating chlorine when it's being consumed, I don't need to let it build up overnight to get me through the next day.

This is all "best practice" stuff in terms of cost efficiency. In reality, you're not going to waste much of your SWG usage hours running 24/7, because your output % will still be much lower than if you run your SWG only 8 hours a day. And you're not going to blow up your electric bill by running a variable speed pump 24 hours a day vs 8 hours a day. But I'm just explaining how to minimize pump runtime and maximize energy efficiency if you wanted to.

The third way to control your SWG runtime is to vary your pump's RPMs. As I mentioned, your SWG will require a minimum flow rate to generate, so you could run your pump at that flow rate for X hours a day, then run your pump at a lower RPM, one that doesn't satisfy your SWG's flow rate, for Y hours a day. During those Y hours, your SWG will sense there is insufficient flow, and so while it will still be powered up, it won't generate, and so won't burn up its usage hours. This will work, but it's not really the best way to do it, as you'd be using your SWG in a way that it's not really intended to be used.

Whew, OK, let me know if there was any of that I didn't explain well enough. Or if you need specifics about how to program your IntelliCenter. Every pool is different, and every pool owner has different goals. Like I said, some of us like our pump running 24 hours a day, others have crazy electricity costs and need to run pumps as little as possible. Some pools need more RPMs for skimming than others do, some SWGs will generate at 1200 RPM, others need 1800 RPM, etc, etc. So there is no "one way" to set runtimes and RPMs, you have to figure out what works best for you and your own pool, and how that changes throughout the seasons.
 
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From the owner's manual:

IntelliChlor SCG Usage Hours Meter
The IntelliChlor® SCG provides a built-in cell “usage hours” meter that reports how many hours IntelliChlor has been operating. The IntelliChlor SCG is designed to operate for approximately 10,000 hours before replacement is needed or roughly five (5) years of average use.
To access the system status mode:
  1. Press and hold the MORE button for three (3) seconds until the lights scroll across the unit.
  2. One (1) of the five (5) Sanitizer Output LED indicators (20%, 40%, 60%, 80% and 100%) will be lit,
    indicating the hours of usage. The Output LEDs are as follows:
    • 2000 hours (20% LED on)
    • 4000 hours (40% LED on)
    • 6000 hours (60% LED on)
    • 8000 hours (80% LED on)
    • 10,000 hours (100% LED on)
Ok thanks so I’ve got to run it in manual to get to that menu?
 
Basically, here's the long answer...

Your IC40 should be wired to the relay that stays in sync with the Pool Circuit that also controls your pump. So when the IntelliCenter calls for the pump to be on, the Pool Circuit relay closes and sends power to the SWG. This is the safeguard that keeps the SWG from running when the pump is not.

You can create a custom circuit that calls for the pump to run, at whatever speed you want it to run at, but that circuit will not engage the SWG, since it is not the built-in Pool Circuit.

Then you would schedule the Pool Circuit for X hours a day, which will be how many hours a day your SWG will run, and the "Custom" circuit for Y hours a day which will be how many additional hour a day your pump will run without the SWG. That's one way to do it. If you need the specifics of how to do that with your IntelliCenter, we'll find someone that can walk you through the steps.

The simpler way is to just run your Pool Circuit for less hours a day, the number of hours you want the SWG to run. That's what I do.

There are a couple of schools of thought here at TFP. Some of us like to run our pump 24/7, and so run our SWG 24/7, at whatever output % keeps the FC correct. Let's call that camp the Weirdos. The other camp, the one I'm in, let's call them, oh, I dunno, the Geniuses, run our pumps for just the number of hours a day that the SWG needs, output at or close to 100%, to get the FC we want.

Your SWG will require a minimum flow rate (pump RPM) to produce chlorine. So you pay for the electricity to run the pump at that speed. Do you want to pay that rate 24 hours a day, or 6 or 7 hours a day? I prefer to run my pump as little as possible.

Minimum pump runtime (the most cost effective number of hours per day) is usually determined by one of several factors, how many hours of runtime it takes per day to:
- generate enough FC with an SWG, or
- get the pool sanitized enough by distributing liquid chlorine, or
- get the pool warm enough with a gas heater or heat pump, or
- get the pool warm enough with a solar heater, or
- get the spa warm enough, or
- get the pool clear enough through filtering, or
- skim the leaves off the surface, or
- vacuum the crud off the bottom with a non-robot vac, or
- watch various water features (waterfalls, bubblers, etc).
Each of those things will require Z number of hours a day, the one that requires the most hours will determine your pump's minimum runtime, because all the other things will get done within the Z number of hours.

So for example, I can distribute chlorine in about 30 minutes, I don't have any water features or a spa, my SWG needs to run about 6 hours a day, my vac needs to run 1.5 hours a day, and my solar heater needs to run about 8 hours a day. So my minimum runtime is governed by my solar heater: 8 hours a day. During that eight hours, by pool gets warm enough, my SWG has enough hours to generate the FC I need, and my suction-side vac, my skimmer and my filter keep the water clean enough. I don't need to run 24/7, because the pump gets everything done in 8 hours. I set my SWG to the output required to get my FC where it needs to be with eight hours of runtime. My RPMs are determined by my solar heater, which needs the most flow rate to get the pool warm, and that flow rate satisfies the SWG, the skimmer and the vac.

This changes, of course, with the seasons. In the winter, I can run as low as a couple hours a day, because I'm not heating my pool and I don't need much FC, which I achieve by adding liquid chlorine manually. Filtering and skimming get done in that couple of hours, as does distributing that chlorine. My winter flow rate can be a bit lower, because my pump only needs to satisfy the skimming, not the solar heater. So annually I run my pump as little as possible, and so pay for electricity as little as possible.

To belabor, in the summer, I like to run that 8 hours during mid-daylight hours, for two reasons. That's when my solar heater works best, and that's when my FC is burning off the most. So my SWG is "replenishing" my FC during the hours it's most being consumed (by the sun). This keeps my FC stable throughout the day and night, because FC loss in non-daylight hours is close to zero. If you run your SWG 24 hours a day, then during the day, your FC level is going to get a little bit behind, and during the night, your FC level is going to get a bit higher than it needs to, building up enough to get your pool through the next day.

Theoretically, I could run my FC a bit lower than those running 24/7, because I'm only generating chlorine when it's being consumed, I don't need to let it build up overnight to get me through the next day.

This is all "best practice" stuff in terms of cost efficiency. In reality, you're not going to waste much of your SWG usage hours running 24/7, because your output % will still be much lower than if you run your SWG only 8 hours a day. And you're not going to blow up your electric bill by running a variable speed pump 24 hours a day vs 8 hours a day. But I'm just explaining how to minimize pump runtime and maximize energy efficiency if you wanted to.

The third way to control your SWG runtime is to vary your pump's RPMs. As I mentioned, your SWG will require a minimum flow rate to generate, so you could run your pump at that flow rate for X hours a day, then run your pump at a lower RPM, one that doesn't satisfy your SWG's flow rate, for Y hours a day. During those Y hours, your SWG will sense there is insufficient flow, and so while it will still be powered up, it won't generate, and so won't burn up its usage hours. This will work, but it's not really the best way to do it, as you'd be using your SWG in a way that it's not really intended to be used.

Whew, OK, let me know if there was any of that I didn't explain well enough. Or if you need specifics about how to program your IntelliCenter. Every pool is different, and every pool owner has different goals. Like I said, some of us like our pump running 24 hours a day, others have crazy electricity costs and need to run pumps as little as possible. Some pools need more RPMs for skimming than others do, some SWGs will generate at 1200 RPM, others need 1800 RPM, etc, etc. So there is no "one way" to set runtimes and RPMs, you have to figure out what works best for you and your own pool, and how that changes throughout the seasons.
Thank you- so I need to think about pup times I guess . The impression I got was the variable speed pumps were more efficient and long lasting running all the time vs stopping and starting every day.

Thanks for thorough reply, I wiik methodically go through the steps.
 

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