Acid wash or re-surface

I wanted just to drain and fill but people speak about pool popping and thats worse than iron stains.
You just have to pick what you want to risk. If you are not on the beach or in the bottom of a valley where the water table is high, it’s probably fine to drain. You can try digging a hole and see how far you can get without water seeping into the hole. There’s also surveys you can probably review to better understand the risk.

Or if you follow the no drain exchange details it helps to reduce the water waste. Of course make sure you’re not refilling with iron saturated water. 😉
 
You just have to pick what you want to risk. If you are not on the beach or in the bottom of a valley where the water table is high, it’s probably fine to drain. You can try digging a hole and see how far you can get without water seeping into the hole. There’s also surveys you can probably review to better understand the risk.

Or if you follow the no drain exchange details it helps to reduce the water waste. Of course make sure you’re not refilling with iron saturated water. 😉
I was going to call the South Florida water district on Monday. I live 1/4 mile from a beach. My water has little to no iron.
 
Is there such a thing of 100 foot 1.5 inch FAT hose? Also I would like info on what type of valve could regulate the outflow of submersible pump so I do not have such a differential between in and out.
 
Is there such a thing of 100 foot 1.5 inch FAT hose?
Search for 100 ft 1.5inch discharge hose and plenty will come up.

This one even comes with an appropriate fire hose nozzle. :ROFLMAO:

If you're no drain water exchanging, a standard garden hose would be best, and standard issue Shut off valve would allow more flow than a typical hose nozzle, but also allow you to reduce the flow if needed
 
Search for 100 ft 1.5inch discharge hose and plenty will come up.

This one even comes with an appropriate fire hose nozzle. :ROFLMAO:

If you're no drain water exchanging, a standard garden hose would be best, and standard issue Shut off valve would allow more flow than a typical hose nozzle, but also allow you to reduce the flow if needed
Thank you. Yes I am going to try the no drain way. The formula involving temperature and dissolved solute in pool vs supply confuses me but my gut tells me its not critical. Sorry but I can't open your links for some reaon.
Now I can open links
 
Thank you. Yes I am going to try the no drain way. The formula involving temperature and dissolved solute in pool vs supply confuses me but my gut tells me its not critical. Sorry but I can't open your links for some reaon.
Now I can open links
So a plain garden hose can attach to these pumps. I don't need a special hose as mentioned?!
 
So a plain garden hose can attach to these pumps. I don't need a special hose as mentioned?!
Correct. The bigger hose would be to save time when you weren't trying to match the pressure from the house. Like draining after a big storm, or to repair the plaster.

The formula involving temperature and dissolved solute in pool vs supply confuses me but my gut tells me its not critical.
It is critical. But the good news is that while it looks like rocket science, it's pretty simple if you plug the values in were it says.
 
Correct. The bigger hose would be to save time when you weren't trying to match the pressure from the house. Like draining after a big storm, or to repair the plaster.


It is critical. But the good news is that while it looks like rocket science, it's pretty simple if you plug the values in were it says.
 
Which dissolved solid substances are the most important to plug into the equation besides salt and calcium?
Also I don't expect anyone to answer this question but there is a house lot behind me and they are putting in a new pool. Their lot is 3 feet higher than my lot. They have dug down about 6 feet and I see no water which means my table is at least 3 feet down. My pool is 5 feet deep which means my water table in deep end is no more than 2 feet. I am mentioning this because if I knew this did not matter I would drain. If it matters I will not drain.
 

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Well I ordered my sump pumps from Amazon. I was deciding between the Superior oiless 1/3 HP without and with the shut off valve. I put both in my checkout box and was going to decide which but accidently bought both and now I will return one. From a purist point of view I discussed with our group that I wanted to do a complete drain after the ascorbic acid but from a practical point of view the non drain method was safer and admittedly I am new at this so safer is probably better (even though I have been googling opening up hydrostatic valves and I am daring by nature). Anyway I am forcing myself to be wise. Two questions:

1. Which superior pump should I keep, the one with or without the shut off valve?
2. Besides salt and calcium which dissolved solids need to be plugged into that equation for non drain wash?

My third question is: "Do I need to truly remove 20,000 gallons or do I need to simply dilute my water to some level? From reading the Wiki, I am unclear on this.
 
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I am not sure anyone is reading this thread anymore but here goes my attempt to understand the formula for no-drain.

Pool Water TDS is Salt 3800 and Calcium 150 PWTDS= (3950)
Pool Water temperature: 78 F

Fill Water TDS is Salt 200 and Calcium 125 FWTDS = 325
Fill Water temperature 76 F

DeltaT= (PWT -PWTDS)/165) - (FWT-FWTDS/165)

DelataT= (78-3980/165) - (76-325/165)

DeltaT = (-23.65) - (1.5)

DeltaT = -25.15 ie negative

So I would extract lowest point deep end and fill from the surface of the shallow end but there will be according to "No Drain Water Exhange" a lot of mixing because delta is < 5"

I know I will balance ins and outs but how much water gets removed?

Please also tell me if this post is in the proper place in TFP
 
If you are looking for a close to complete exchange, I would go 110% of pool volume. Hopefully you know your pool volume closer than what your signature shows (20-30000 gallons).
 
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Sorry we missed your questions above. Sometimes a thread falls between the cracks while all the helpers are having dinner or picking up the kids from 17 bazillion after-school activities.

Never hesitate to poke us the next morning if we missed you. :)
 
I changed my estimate gallons on my pool math app and I thought it automatically would have changed my info on the forum. I have about 20,000 gallons. I posted my exact dimensions somewhere on this forum but I can't seem to find it. So how long will it take to replace 20,000 gallons?

How do I change my signature?
 
Your signature is a separate item. I edited it to say 20000 gallons.

How long this will take depends on what your add rate is from a hose. Typically it is around 5 gpm. So 4400 minutes. Right at 3 days.
 
Your signature is a separate item. I edited it to say 20000 gallons.

How long this will take depends on what your add rate is from a hose. Typically it is around 5 gpm. So 4400 minutes. Right at 3 days.
Thank you for the edit and the answer. I plan on doing as soon as chemistry allows. Just last week I spoke to my pool service and they dropped pH from 8.2 to 7.5 and now already its up to 8.2 again. Also I have been running SWG at 25% for 12 hours day and I stopped for 2.5 days and Cl came out high. I asked service not to add any but I wonder if they are. Bottom line I am prepared to run pump and hose x 3 days but with delta being so low and water mixture high....how can I be confident iron is flushed out? BTW I can add water through 2 hoses!
 
Use a 5 gallon bucket and measure your gpm from the hoses.
You will likely have some mixing. But if lowering the iron content of the water is the goal, it will do that. Depending on what the iron content of your fill water is.

Be sure the pool pump is off and securely locked out when you start this process.
 
Use a 5 gallon bucket and measure your gpm from the hoses.
You will likely have some mixing. But if lowering the iron content of the water is the goal, it will do that. Depending on what the iron content of your fill water is.

Be sure the pool pump is off and securely locked out when you start this process.
Oh I will. I accidently ordered received 2 sump pumps from Amazon last week (see post 131). One with shut off the other without. But since I wont be draining the pool I would imagine I could use either. Should I just return the one with shut off because it has more moving parts? Also since I am using an external pump, all the stuff about removing filter goes by the wasteside right? Or do I remove filter just to allow my pool pump to mix things for a while?
 
Should I just return the one with shut off because it has more moving parts?
It may come in handy down the road if you want to pump something but not babysit it.
Also since I am using an external pump, all the stuff about removing filter goes by the wasteside right?
Yes. Shut the pump off with the breaker so the timer/automation doesn't accidentally kick back on. If you stir up the pool mid exchange, the rest of the exchange will remove new water with the old.
just to allow my pool pump to mix things for a while?
For the no drain exchange you want as little mixing as possible. Some will happen no matter what.
 

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