Can the plunger type backwash valve be replaced with another style?

dannieboiz

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My Pentair DE filter have the plunger type backwash valve. I replaced the entire plunger and o ring but for some reason I get little leaks coming out of it. I'm just going to replace the entire valve assemble and was wondering if there is a "better" option out there.

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It should not be leaking if all the o-rings are properly lubed with pool lube and in their proper places and the plastic has no cracks.
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Also, be aware that the MPV is more restrictive when compared to a push-pull.
 
The head loss is only slightly lower for the slide valve.

H = 0.00140800F^2 for slide valve.

H = 0.00147840F^2 for the multiport.

The multiport is only about 5% more restrictive than the slide valve.

Also, in my opinion, slide valves stink .

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My Pentair DE filter have the plunger type backwash valve. I replaced the entire plunger and o ring but for some reason I get little leaks coming out of it. I'm just going to replace the entire valve assemble and was wondering if there is a "better" option out there.

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Cartridge filter would be the better option if money is no object. 😉
 
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That filter is super old.

Probably time to replace it with something from this century.

Is it a Purex Triton Nautilus FNS Filter?

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I've been doing a little reading and it seems DE filters out perform a catridge filter. As they say, don't believe everything you read on the internet. For about $200 I can replace the valve, I'm wondering if it's worth spending the $1500 or so to replace the entire filter.

Any expert here thinks otherwise?
 
I've been doing a little reading and it seems DE filters out perform a catridge filter.
It's for bragging rights only. If you think about it, your yard drops the same crud no matter which way you go. That crud traps even finer crud so IMO, your yard decides how fine you filter. The less efficient sand filter will take some time to get 'dirty', but will get there too.
For about $200 I can replace the valve, I'm wondering if it's worth spending the $1500 or so to replace the entire filter.
That's buyers choice. You can get some more life out of the old setup, but are on borrowed time. Whenever you decide to replace the filter, go big. It will pay you back with less maintenance for a generation or more. Divide the upcharge by however old the original filter is, and its peanuts a season.
 
I've been doing a little reading and it seems DE filters out perform a catridge filter. As they say, don't believe everything you read on the internet. For about $200 I can replace the valve, I'm wondering if it's worth spending the $1500 or so to replace the entire filter.

Any expert here thinks otherwise?
The DE filters don’t outperform any other filter on ease of cleaning and hassle recharging. 😉 I’d take my sand filter over DE any day as the pool is crystal clear with any of the three filters.
 
I’d take my sand filter over DE any day as the pool is crystal clear with any of the three filters.
+1. When a sand filter won our first water clarity pic contest, by a mile no less, it stuck a fork in that age old debate. Winning the TFP bragging rights is no small feat.

I am no fan of sand filters, but I sure as Heck respect what they can do in the right hands.
 
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My current filter is a 48 sq ft DE, if I went with a Cartridge filter, something like a Pentair 420 should do the trick right?

As for Sand Filter, the second to the largest Hayward is a 27". Cost is more than half of a DE filter.

Seems like many of you like the sand filters. I don't mind spending the extra money to do it once and do it right. I just got to figure out what best fit my needs and I'm not sure which route to go yet.

The other problem I have is the 1.5" plumbing, nothing I can do about that but just wanted to point it out.
 
My current filter is a 48 sq ft DE, if I went with a Cartridge filter, something like a Pentair 420 should do the trick right?
That would be great for you. If sticking with DE, upsize it accordingly. (60? I think).
I just got to figure out what best fit my needs and I'm not sure which route to go yet.
That's the dilemma everyone faces. There's something to be said for your familiarity with DE, but if you'd like to switch, nows the time.
The other problem I have is the 1.5" plumbing, nothing I can do about that but just wanted to point it out.
No issues. Either reduce the 2 inch fittings at the filter, or replace the pad plumbing with 2 inch. Either way you won't see an appreciable change. If you're already out there cutting and gluing, nows also the time to straighten anything out that needs redoing. Whether it's defunct equipment like an old tab feeder or ancient valves, it would suck to be back out there next season doing it again.
 
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My current filter is a 48 sq ft DE, if I went with a Cartridge filter, something like a Pentair 420 should do the trick right?

As for Sand Filter, the second to the largest Hayward is a 27". Cost is more than half of a DE filter.

Seems like many of you like the sand filters. I don't mind spending the extra money to do it once and do it right. I just got to figure out what best fit my needs and I'm not sure which route to go yet.

The other problem I have is the 1.5" plumbing, nothing I can do about that but just wanted to point it out.
Sand filters use a bunch of water to backwash so that’s a downside to them, but I guess all filters use some water to clean them. I’m not into pushing a filter except to put the DE filter at the end of the list. I’ll admit I’m biased against them as my fathers pool in San Jose ends up making a DE mess on the patio every time the guy comes to clean it.
 
Sand filters use a bunch of water to backwash so that’s a downside to them, but I guess all filters use some water to clean them. I’m not into pushing a filter except to put the DE filter at the end of the list. I’ll admit I’m biased against them as my fathers pool in San Jose ends up making a DE mess on the patio every time the guy comes to clean it.
I was going to say, this is our first pool and I've only experienced with DE filter but the thing I hate most is such a mess it makes when backwashing. At least using Sand I can just dump it onto the lawn or dirt area. Sand appearing to be the cheapest of the bunch and cheap to replace so I do like the lower maintenance cost. I do like the cartridge filter idea as well, just dump it in the trash and put a new one in every several year. No concern of the heavy sand.

Thanks for everyone's input, you guys really helped my decision making harder. :D
 
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At least using Sand I can just dump it onto the lawn or dirt area.
Carts do you one better. Rinse them off on the grass somewhere and there is some clumps of pollen, dust and whatnot left in the grass. If any is still there at the 1st mowing, it's gone after that.
 
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