Pentair ic40, surge board, intelliph and swg transformer.

i'm definitely not going to redo the swcg any time soon so whatever i do will have to work with the aquarite

and thanks for the tank link... i've got a peristaltic pump kicking around so I was looking for a pump-less tank - but it was about the same price as the one you sent!
 
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The Pentair tank has:
- a nice stable base with holes for securing to the pad,
- the acid jug holder/seal-piercer receptical,
- an air-tight lid all sealed up with an o-ring, and
- has a vent tube which carries acid fumes away from the surrounding area.

I've never compared it to anything else, but Pentair did a good job with the design.
 
Ha! Wouldn't be fair for me to say, as I only have the blue Lowes buckets!

Without the need for the controller, I assumed you were looking at other solutions, like Stenner offerings or others? Just wanted you to have all the data! Plus, I get 5% of every IntellipH sale, in case any of you haven't figured that out by now! :devilish:
 
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i think the blue lowes buckets go better with my decor anyway!

i figured i'd try using the pump i've got first... i got it a while ago to build an automatic watering device that never happened, and i think the flow rate was around 200mL/min.

but man there's a whole bunch of peristaltic pumps available... a lot of them may be garbage or have low flow rates, but if I had to buy one I might try a milwaukee mp810 (i think others have used it)
 
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There are quite a few threads around here somewhere with discussions of folks building chlorine and acid dispensing systems, primarily based on Stenner parts, I believe (tanks and pumps). While reading them, since I already had my IpH, I admittedly did so with much bias. Silently comparing what they came up with to my IpH and IC combo. I think we even had a Stenner rep posting here for a while.

I vaguely recall one in which the guy used a Stenner pump and rigged the cap from one of those big chlorine containers, whatdayacallem, car...something, they're returnable/refillable? He'd just swap in the refilled one and screw on the modified cap which had the tube running off to the Stenner pump. Something like that. That design had promise, in that you never had to handle/pour the chemical (kinda like swapping Blue Rhino propane tanks on your BBQ).
 
Are there any available seats left on this bus? I have been dealing with this issue for a while and have had one or two replacements under warranty from Pentair. Originally, I had an IC60 and the Pentair Rep brought out an IC40 saying that there was a problem with the current that was being pulled through the intelliPH, and that and the IC60 was pulling too much. Everything was working peachy for about a year and then the IC40 looks to have fried the intelliPH board again! I took the intelliPH out of stream and ran the IC 40 directly into the easy touch. It works fine but the problem is that I cannot control it through the IOS app. I have attempted to troubleshoot with Pentair and I'm still trying to figure out what the problem is. I can control the IC 40 on the faceplate but the easy touch does not look to be taking control. Changes on the panel of the EasyTouch also do not change the settings on the IC40. The salt level is not being reported on the app. Interestingly everything else is working fine on the app independent of the IC40. Do you think the surge board is toast? Also happy to throw in my intelliPH board if it's helpful once I figure out what Pentair is going to do. As a side note, I still have my IC60, so I removed the IC40 and plugged in the IC60 to see if the EasyTouch could control that. No dice. Same issue. Surge board? I will let you all know what I hear from Pentair. They have been fantastic so far. Looks like they may have a recallable fire hazard for a consumer product.
 

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yikes. this board isn't going to be talking to anything anytime soon... the white relay is next to the burned connector, and the 3 chips to the right of the relay are the comm chip and it's input protection, all of which is smoked.

what's your surge board look like?
 
yikes. this board isn't going to be talking to anything anytime soon... the white relay is next to the burned connector, and the 3 chips to the right of the relay are the comm chip and it's input protection, all of which is smoked.

what's your surge board look like?

The surge board looks fine. I can grab a photo when I get home later. Does the fact that the IC40 is working mean anything about the state of the surge board?
 
yikes. this board isn't going to be talking to anything anytime soon... the white relay is next to the burned connector, and the 3 chips to the right of the relay are the comm chip and it's input protection, all of which is smoked.

what's your surge board look like?
It’s hard to tell but it looks like in the bottom left a little chips might be burned
 

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oh nooos... D3 and D4 are dead on this surge board too. if one or both died "short", they will interrupt communication between the salt cell and the easytouch. (i'm assuming the small gauge 4-conductor cable on the terminal block in the lower left of your photo goes back to the easytouch, and the thicker wires in the top left go to the salt cell?)

assuming the comm chips on the salt cell are OK... i think your easytouch and salt cell will be able to talk again if you remove d3 and d4. if you have a multimeter, you can use the continuity or resistance function to check if they're shorted - or you can just skip all that and remove them because they're clearly dead.

to remove d3/d4, you can either unsolder them or very carefully cut/file/grind/snip the plastic with whatever you've got on hand - being careful not to damage the copper traces on the board until each side of the part is no longer connected to the other (you don't have to get it all off). then clean it up with the highest concentrated isopropyl alcohol you've got.
 
Not only is there room on the bus, but we're gonna scoot back because you get to sit in the front seat. I think yours is the first we've seen of the IpH AND the surge board fried like that. Pentair has been admitting to the IC60 problem for a while now. We've shown here that the IC40 is also causing the same problem, with both the IntellipH and the surge board, but apparently Pentair is in denial about that (or just mum about it).

You're in good hands with Tom (ogdento) but there might be a new board or two in your future. Tom is looking into getting some of the current running through all this junk to do so off the board(s) somehow, and just running the much lower-current comm traffic through the board(s). You know, something Pentair should be doing!

Up to Tom if he needs another board or two, but thanks for offering. Between the growing number of us, we should be able to add up to at least most of one good brain! 🤪

Sorry for your bad luck...
 
oh nooos... D3 and D4 are dead on this surge board too. if one or both died "short", they will interrupt communication between the salt cell and the easytouch. (i'm assuming the small gauge 4-conductor cable on the terminal block in the lower left of your photo goes back to the easytouch, and the thicker wires in the top left go to the salt cell?)
Thanks for the response and suggestion on how to repair it. I think I will try to beg/plead Pentair to send me new ones as this is not the first time.
 
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Not only is there room on the bus, but we're gonna scoot back because you get to sit in the front seat. I think yours is the first we've seen of the IpH AND the surge board fried like that. Pentair has been admitting to the IC60 problem for a while now. We've shown here that the IC40 is also causing the same problem, with both the IntellipH and the surge board, but apparently Pentair is in denial about that (or just mum about it).

You're in good hands with Tom (ogdento) but there might be a new board or two in your future. Tom is looking into getting some of the current running through all this junk to do so off the board(s) somehow, and just running the much lower-current comm traffic through the board(s). You know, something Pentair should be doing!

Up to Tom if he needs another board or two, but thanks for offering. Between the growing number of us, we should be able to add up to at least most of one good brain! 🤪

Sorry for your bad luck...
LOL. I was just discussing with someone else on the forum that it might be time to bring some products to market with the level of resources on this forum. It's amazing. I will keep you up to date on what I hear. Thanks for the insights!
 
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it might be time to bring some competitive products to market
Preaching to the choir, and our choir has been musing about that for some time (like years). I've since forgotten what we came up with, as to why this industry stagnates the way it does, especially while other industries are innovating like crazy (computers, smart devices, home automation, etc). The pool automation market is relatively small (when compared to those other industries), and competition is stiff, which means profit is thin and so R&D takes the hit. Something like that. It'd be quite a challenge for a new player to emerge...

Plus, it's a lot easier for us pool owners to type'n'gripe than it would be to put down our beers, get up off the floatie, and get something worthwhile done!! 🥴
 
J9 input to the surge board is also overheated, even if you change the board i would definitely cut and crimp a new connector just to start fresh. You do need a new board.
This is what i did in case you are interested. Even if pentair gives you a new board and iph i would not connect them like that again.
 
Hey @Dirk, after looking at the iph from @oakwater, i'm thinking what you've already done and what @Flying Tivo has just reposted above is the way to go... I think this was all originally based on advice from @bdavis466? and even though there's some cutting involved <gasp!>, it just seems to work. I read some other threads over the weekend where a few other members (maybe @MyAZPool i think?) have done the same thing.

I was going around and around looking at different connectors, terminal strips etc. to kindof make a "drop-in part" to do what Tivo's done... but any of that could fail too, so maybe the simplest solution is the best? But to @slickrock22 's point, maybe there's a market for replacement surge boards that don't cost an arm and a leg?
 
hey @Flying Tivo ... I hadn't noticed the lightly torched J9 before, good eye! I haven't gotten my hands on a dead (or alive) surge board yet, but does J9 go to a bridge rectifier on the other side of the board? I wonder if that's smokey too.
 
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Hey @Dirk, after looking at the iph from @oakwater, i'm thinking what you've already done and what @Flying Tivo has just reposted above is the way to go... I think this was all originally based on advice from @bdavis466? and even though there's some cutting involved <gasp!>, it just seems to work. I read some other threads over the weekend where a few other members (maybe @MyAZPool i think?) have done the same thing.

I was going around and around looking at different connectors, terminal strips etc. to kindof make a "drop-in part" to do what Tivo's done... but any of that could fail too, so maybe the simplest solution is the best? But to @slickrock22 's point, maybe there's a market for replacement surge boards that don't cost an arm and a leg?
I can't argue that ditching the IpH controller altogether simplifies things, and results in less things that can go wrong, but I wasn't ready to give up on my IpH just yet (especially since I was able to repair it).

I have slightly different things going on, but I based part of them on @bdavis466's principal (or whomever thought it up first).
I have the switch that can choose between the "factory" Iph/IC setup and the relay setup (bypassing the IpH Controller). So with the flip of that switch I have Felipe's setup. But for as long as my IpH board holds out, I can go back to the IpH controller when the water is warm enough for the IpH/IC combo.

I also added some niceties that Felipe and bdavis skipped: a regulator that supplies the IpH motor with the correct voltage, a digital volt meter that allows me to monitor that voltage, and a flow switch that helps safeguard against dispensing without flow.

Since I only use the "relay" setup when the IC is down for winter, I don't have to worry about injecting acid through an IC that is producing chlorine. When my IC is online, so is my IpH Controller, which then handles all that. And as I've mentioned many times, I like that the IpH Controller dispenses acid hourly, instead of once a day or a few times a week.

The other thing I had going for me was that my surge board came out of a Power Center. It's not the one that is included with an EasyTouch. This [hopefully] gives me two advantages: (1) there is no funky connector on that card, the fat wires are already soldered to the board, and (2) the board has an on-board fuse, but it's only 10A, not the 12A breaker that is included with the ET setup. So maybe those will help keep my surge card alive. And then, of course, I already eliminated the connector from the IpH board, so there's that.

There are other recent threads here that got me thinking. We know the ICs are pulling too much current, but I was focusing on the connector pins and how they exacerbate the over-current problem. We've discussed eliminating those connectors, or lubing them somehow to minimize the corrosion that might be advancing the meltdown. But that doesn't really explain why all the other parts are melting (the relay, the resistor, and chips). One guy explained he thought he had a power surge (lightning, I think), and so I wrote that board off to that. But now we've got slickrock who seems to have lost components (not just connectors) on two boards, merely from the IC being used normally. And there's another thread here where some guy's IC40 was popping the breaker, and melting his board. He replaced his IC40 and all is well.

So I think there are several contributors, but they're not contributing consistently (if that makes sense) which is why this happens to some of us, but not all of us, and when it does happen, it's happening in various ways. So we know something is happening to those connector pins. That fries the connector, and the connection, and that is repairable. But we also see melted circuit board components, and I'm not sure how the pin problem could grow into that. Obviously the IC60 draws too much current. But not on everyone's setup. Same thing for the IC40. So are these ICs coming off the assembly line already predisposed to draw too much, while others come off and they don't? Or is something happening, over time, that makes these ICs draw more and more current, until the draw exceeds the parts on these boards? Which might explain that for some of us, the over-current symptoms don't appear for years.

And while I may have solved for my existing current-sucking IC, what if the next one I own comes off the line even hotter than this one?

So, Tom, are you resigning yourself to just setting up your acid tank and pump using a relay (and foregoing the purchase of the IpH controller)? And abandoning the possibility of somehow shoring up the IpH controller circuitry to better resist the overcurrent? That might be the prudent solution for you. Just let me know if you're going that route, and maybe I'll take on the boards and see what I can do for us IpH controller owners, ha, which might be just me at this point!!
 

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