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Taylor1584

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May 13, 2011
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NW Arkansas
Pool Size
12000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Liquid Chlorine
SWG Type
Hayward Aqua Rite (T-15)
Replacing outdated equipment at new to me pool. The pad plumbing is a maze and will be cleaned up, excessive 90's etc.
Also will be removing an incline chlorinator feed with a mineral feed and an unused motor for disconnected pool cleaner, as I have a robot and am moving it to this pool.
Pool is approx. 7000 gallons, looks bigger but almost half the pool is sun shelf.
The only piece of equipment that is newish is the sand filter, I just prefer cartridge.
Here is what I spec'd per the advice from TFP. I also used advice for equipment pads and plumbing.

Pentair Intellicenter Model # 521903
IntelliFlo VSF pump Model #011056
Pentair 160332 Clean & Clear Plus CCP520 Cartridge Filter
Heater 460736 MasterTemp 400 Btu.

Jandy NeverLube
Jandy Valves
Intellivalves Actuators

I understand there is the cost of the item, install, misc, overhead. If the price is fair, it is what it is.
Am I allowed to put total prices here? I researched equipment cost of X and for everything else is 78% of X.

I called the owner and he refused to put in the quote the make and model numbers that I had given him. He lumped the cost of the equipment and the install of each piece into one figure. I am not trying to internet shop and then DIY but this just seems high. I told him that his quote if I accept and sign without the make and model means he could put in anything and it would be considered a contract. He said he has to have leeway as equipment sometimes has several different models and depending on supply he would substitute. I asked if he could put in what I specified and then if he needs me to sign off on a substitute I would do that. He said he never puts the make and model on any of his quotes.

Currently all equipment is working. I can use pool chlorine for now and just leave the tab feeder empty, same with the mineral thing. I told him I would be willing to wait while the equipment all comes in as I am in no hurry. Heck I am waiting 12 months for a kitchen remodel to start as the lead time for the fridge is that long. He just said let's get it done.

Owner also stated I had a lot of extra details in my requests. Things like the specific valves, actuators, check valves, heater bypass. I figured since they would be taking all the old off the pad and had a clean slate why not situate the pieces so it would be easy for them to work on in the future it was needed. The pad is a poured fairly large for the number of pieces. He did price out the automation and salt cell generator each as a separate item so not 521903 . I did ask and he said it was the same thing. I want the all in one, as the current wall of boxes was a maze and as long as we were cleaning up the install lets put in the one I requested.

I believe I need a good install with the equipment I requested and the business needs to make money, fair is fair. Let me know if I can post prices or ranges, and if I am way off base let me know.

Thanks in advance.
 
You can post prices if you like without naming the company.

I would not move forward without model numbers, etc detailed. You are right, you could get things you do not want. Without recourse.

Why not buy everything yourself and hire a handyman/plumber/electrician to install? Nothing is really special about a pool company doing it.
 
Taylor,

You do not want to buy the automation and salt systems as individual units.. You want the "package deal" where the salt system comes with the automation. This means the Power Center for the salt cell is inside the automation and not another box hanging on the wall.

I agree with Marty.. You buy it, and have someone install it. They you will know exactly what you are getting.

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
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Just to third that I would find someone else who is willing to install what I want the way I want it. It is your pool and if you are willing to pay for it you should get what you want. There are many people who are a qualify installer to meet Pentair's warranty.

You have a good and reasonable list of equipment and specifications.


Select Bundled Products: applies to purchases and qualified installation of a minimum of a pump and filter, and one or more of the following: heaters, heat pumps, control systems, automatic cleaners, lighting, salt chlorine generators or UV sterilizer**

*Note: Qualified Installer
- Defined as a licensed professional who charges a fee for his services, and possesses a business license, contractor's license and/or resale permit. Common examples of a "qualified installer" include: Swimming Pool, Home Repair or Landscape Professional; Plumber or Electrician; General Contractor; Heating and Air Conditioning Specialist.

**Note: Bundled products - must be purchased on the same invoice and installed at the same time. If any product within a bundle is ineligible for the bundled warranty coverage then all products within the same bundle will be disqualified from receiving the three (3) year extended warranty coverage for bundled products.
 
I agree with your equipment choice.. Great choices actually.. The problem you and the pool builder is going to be finding said equipment.. Once of the best companies are out of almost everything you are looking for.. And when you can find it the prices are CRAZZY...

Not in stock

In stock but only local pickup

In stock

I would buy everything and have someone install it... :)
 
Thanks Marty and Jim,

I had a feeling this was the response I would get. I am new the the area, haven't moved in yet, still out of state. Trying to line up someone to do the work long distance.

Thanks,
Christine
 
Taylor,

You do not want to buy the automation and salt systems as individual units.. You want the "package deal" where the salt system comes with the automation. This means the Power Center for the salt cell is inside the automation and not another box hanging on the wall.

I agree with Marty.. You buy it, and have someone install it. They you will know exactly what you are getting.

Thanks,

Jim R.
Jim,I have read this advice from you and others repeatedly on this site. I know enough to listen. You don't know how much people like me that want to do it correctly and need all the handholding. You and others always step up, Marty and Allen too.
 
Wow. $7200 for an Easytouch or Intellicenter with SWCG that costs about $2500. Whoa.
Pump and heater are not all that bad if a 400K heater and Intelliflo VSF. The filter is pricey, double depending on what model.
 
I agree with your equipment choice.. Great choices actually.. The problem you and the pool builder is going to be finding said equipment.. Once of the best companies are out of almost everything you are looking for.. And when you can find it the prices are CRAZZY...

Not in stock

In stock but only local pickup

In stock

I would buy everything and have someone install it... :)
Cowboycasey, you are in that group that always has good advice. So do I just buy off amazon, companies on the internet? I really don't have a feel for companies with a good reputation. Is there a list of go to companies for this stuff. I can google but who knows if they are legit or fly by night. I did get my robot from Marina because of this site. I don't mind buying and collecting it in my garage as it becomes available. Funny when I started this conversation with a pool company to do this work, they told me they would have no problem getting any of this. I am in NW Arkansas for what it is worth.
 

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Wow. $7200 for an Easytouch or Intellicenter with SWCG that costs about $2500. Whoa.

If that includes all the electrical work to move the wiring into the Load Center and includes all necessary new GFCI CB's the price may not be that bad.

We need to see what is existing now and better understand the scope of how the ET or IC will be installed to comment ont he price.
 
Wow. $7200 for an Easytouch or Intellicenter with SWCG that costs about $2500. Whoa.
Pump and heater are not all that bad if a 400K heater and Intelliflo VSF. The filter is pricey, double depending on what model.
I actually specified the Intellicenter # 521903 based on the advice from more than one of you. I see it recommended repeatedly. The pump I spec'd is IntelliFlo VSF pump Model #011056, and the heater is 400K. Any recommendations where I should shop?
 
True Allen, but there is also an install charge, albeit looks pretty low.

Yup, all the descriptions say "Installation of ..." and not separately list equipment price and installation cost.

Then there is a separate Labor line item.

To me that piece of paper is not adequate to define what is being bought and how it will be installed.
 
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I actually specified the Intellicenter # 521903 based on the advice from more than one of you. I see it recommended repeatedly. The pump I spec'd is IntelliFlo VSF pump Model #011056, and the heater is 400K. Any recommendations where I should shop?
I use Polytec Pools for reference. And I have purchased from them. They are in Las Vegas.

I will preface that with a number of items are out of stock. The Intellicenter and pump, for instance. If you can wait, I would talk to them and get on a waiting list, maybe put down a deposit, etc.
 
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If that includes all the electrical work to move the wiring into the Load Center and includes all necessary new GFCI CB's the price may not be that bad.

We need to see what is existing now and better understand the scope of how the ET or IC will be installed to comment ont he price.
I could not figure that out either. there is the installation coupled with the item, but at the end there is labor. It doesn't mention anything about GFI CBs, and I read here on TFP that I want them for each piece of equipment. Is that correct. There are no GFIs presently. Lots of Mr. Sparky units, I think those are surge protectors. I am planning on putting on a whole house surge protector but also want them on the pool equipment.
 
Yup, all the descriptions say "Installation of ..." and not separately list equipment price and installation cost.

Then there is a separate Labor line item.

To me that piece of paper is not adequate to define what is being bought and how it will be installed.
Thanks for the confirmation that I'm not just being picky. I don't mind paying a fair price, but this seems a bit high.
 

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