I am fine with the limited draw, I just didn't want to lower life expectancy w/ them being always powered.
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I am fine with the limited draw, I just didn't want to lower life expectancy w/ them being always powered.
Pool installer just came over and told me the VSF needs 16A and there is a 16A label on the pump. However, this thread indicates much lower: what is the AMP draw on Pentair Intelliflo Variable Speed
What am I missing?
What am I missing?
- Jul 21, 2013
- 65,118
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
It can draw 16Amps at full load max RPM. That thread was not making measurements with that load and speed.
My current pump draws 10.9A (see below) and I read a few threads that had 10A-ish around 3,450 RPMS. Given it can use up to 16A, I am way over the 20A breaker. Do I need to account for the max 16A?
Century Pump
Horsepower ( HP ): 2.25 HP
• Voltage ( V ): 115V / 208-230V
• Amps ( A ): 20.4 A / 10.9-10.2 A
• Output ( KW ): 1.70 kW
• Service Factor ( SF ): 1.0 SF
• Total Horse Power ( THP ): 2.25 THP
• Speed (RPM): 3450 rpm
• Motor Flange: C-Flange ( Round )
• Motor Frame: 56J
IntelliFlow Varible Pump
2315W (3450RPM) @ 230V = 10.07A
- Jul 21, 2013
- 65,118
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
S,
It just does not matter, as the power to the IntelliFlo is not controlled by the IntelliConnect... The IntelliFlo get constant 240 Volt AC power from a circuit breaker... either in your house electrical panel, or a sub panel at the equipment pad
The IntelliConnect just controls the pump using the RS-485 cable.
My IntelliFlo runs off a 20 amp breaker with no problems at all..
Thanks,
Jim R.
It just does not matter, as the power to the IntelliFlo is not controlled by the IntelliConnect... The IntelliFlo get constant 240 Volt AC power from a circuit breaker... either in your house electrical panel, or a sub panel at the equipment pad
The IntelliConnect just controls the pump using the RS-485 cable.
My IntelliFlo runs off a 20 amp breaker with no problems at all..
Thanks,
Jim R.
My current pump/swg/spa bubbler/heater are on a 20a from breaker in the house. No sub panel. We’d be adding the IntelliConnect to the mix too
- Jul 21, 2013
- 65,118
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
Well if the installer is being a stickler for the NEC then he is correct. NEC says you can only load a breaker to 80% of its capacity. For a 20 amp breaker that is 16 amps. With the pump max at 16 amps that is all the NEC allows.
Connecting more may work since the pump will rarely pull 16 amps. But following the NEC to the letter you base it on the max device loads.
And I also had two electricians including one I know well who recently moved to TX tell me it’s ok to go 30a on 12 gauge wire given a motor is in the mix
so, not sure what to believe ?
so, not sure what to believe ?
- Jul 21, 2013
- 65,118
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
The devil is in the details. It depends on the type of wire used. See...
It must be copper so I can go 25a or 30a? I could leave as is and if it trips, spend monies to upgrade to 25a (30a?) at breaker or pull new line through conduit
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- 65,118
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
Depends if the wire insulation is
TYPES
RHW,
THW,
THWN
or
TYPES
TBS,
SA,
SIS
It doesn't work that way. Undersize wiring can cause a fire in the wall before the breaker trips. Wire must always be a minimum size for the breaker.
In the chart, all Cooper is either 25 or 30a for 12 gauge wire. Am I reading it wrong?
- Jul 21, 2013
- 65,118
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
You don't find 25 amp breakers commonly used. So the 25 amp wire gets used on 20 amp breakers.
But I can still upgrade to 25 or 30 with my 12G wire per that chart. That should fix any issues I have.
- Jul 21, 2013
- 65,118
- Pool Size
- 35000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
I finally found a competent electrician! I have 2 120V/20A used for 2 pool LED lights and 1 SPA light and low voltage lighting. He is going to move them to the single 120V/20A and then rewire the remaining (free) 120V to 240V by using an existing neutral for the pump. This just saved me literally $2,000 to run a new line/subpanel/etc.
What type of wire do I use to connect the IC60 Power Center to the RS-485 wire connection on the IntelliConnect? And, what wire for the heater connection? Typical 18/22gauge wire?
What type of wire do I use to connect the IC60 Power Center to the RS-485 wire connection on the IntelliConnect? And, what wire for the heater connection? Typical 18/22gauge wire?
The RS-485 uses 22 gauge 4 wire cable
The heater only needs 2 wire cable, but no reason you can't use the same cable for the heater..
Thanks,
Jim R.
The heater only needs 2 wire cable, but no reason you can't use the same cable for the heater..
Thanks,
Jim R.
Pentair told me to re-use the same RS-485 cable for the IC60 and Heater -- go figure. To be clear, we just need 4 strands of 22 gauge (and 2 - 22G for the heater)? They are independent wires, correct? And, they don't need to be in conduit or anything like that. I planned to zip tie them up against existing hard lines/PVC/etc.