| DIRT TO STAY ON PROPERTY | ||||
1 | No dirt to remain on property | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
| BASE PRICE | ||||
1 | Presidential Base Package - Tucson | 45,595.00 | | 45,595.00 |
1 | 15% Down Payment Progress Payments | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
| JURISDICTION SURCHARGES (PERMITS STD. ENG. CODES) | ||||
1 | Mandatory Fuel Surcharge Fee | 500.00 | | 500.00 |
1 | Pima County | 1,015.00 | | 1,015.00 |
| LAYOUT | ||||
1 | Layout | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
| POOL SIZE AND DEPTH | ||||
102 | Pool Perimeter 75' Base included (Extra Charge for >75' and Credit given for < 75') Tucson | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
385 | Sq. Footage (1st 350' included in price) | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
27 | Perimeter greater than 75' per LF - Tucson | 235.05 | | 6,346.35 |
35 | Area Greater than 350' - Tucson | 55.10 | | 1,928.50 |
6 | Max Pool Depth (Up to 5' included in package) | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
1 | Max depth greater than 5' - Tucson | 2,175.00 | | 2,175.00 |
| ACCESS/SCREEN WALLS | ||||
1 | Replace Tucson Pilaster, (each, Grey Block) | 532.15 | | 532.15 |
1 | Tuc. Hang Gate w/ Spring | 488.65 | | 488.65 |
| EXCAVATION-BOBCAT/TRACK HOE | ||||
1 | Mini III Dig up to 350' SA (3'-6" up to 5'-5") | 3,625.00 | | 3,625.00 |
85 | Mini III Dig over 350' Surface Area add per SA foot | 7.25 | | 616.25 |
| EXCAVATION | ||||
1 | Paver Addendum | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
1 | Pre Grade Done By Owner Amendment | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
1 | Oversize Second Step (per step) | 652.50 | | 652.50 |
| PLUMBING | ||||
15 | Total Skimmer Run (15' Included) | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
35 | Total Lin. Feet Steps/Benches (35 Lin. Feet Included) | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
1 | AUTO Water Leveler, 1included | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
50 | Total Run AUTO Water Leveler, 1 (50 ft Included) | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
1 | Q-360 Ultimate In-floor System, (upgrade from Rebel, no surface returns) (1 Main Drain, 1 Leaf Canister Inc.) | 3,364.50 | | 3,364.50 |
7 | Additional Q360 Cleaning Heads | 283.37 | | 1,983.59 |
| PUMPS | ||||
1 | Upgraded - IntelliFlo VSF Package (VST2/420 Cart) | 1,145.51 | | 1,145.51 |
| ELECTRICAL & CONTROLLERS | ||||
75 | TOTAL 1/2 inch rigid conduit (1st 50 ft. included in price) | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
25 | 1/2 inch rigid conduit (over Included 50 FT.) - TUCSON | 13.59 | | 339.75 |
1 | Intermatic Enclosure w/Low Voltage Transformer (Included) | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
1 | IntelliCenter i5 w/integrated WiFi, no credit for T/C | 2,050.85 | | 2,050.85 |
1 | Add IC 40 Salt Cell | 1,492.60 | | 1,492.60 |
1 | Spectrum 360 Blue LED Pool light(s) 1 included in price | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
1 | Credit for Spectrum 360 White or Blue LED Pool/Spa light | -544.84 | | -544.84 |
2 | Multi-Color Spectrum. 360 Light, per light | 640.34 | | 1,280.68 |
70 | Total Run Pool Light Conduit Ft. - TUCSON | 11.45 | | 801.50 |
| ACRYLIC/NAT. CONCRETE DECKING AND ARTIFICIAL TURF | ||||
450 | Tucson Acrylic Lace (1st 350 ' inc., there will be no credit for unused acrylic) | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
100 | Additional Acrylic Lace Deck greater than base allowance - Tucson | 16.80 | | 1,680.00 |
17 | Deck Drain for Concrete/Acrylic Decks only, per LF | 21.75 | | 369.75 |
16 | 18" Turndown, per LF | 43.50 | | 696.00 |
1 | Tucson Concrete Surcharge | 870.00 | | 870.00 |
1 | Tucson - Concrete Travel South of Grant | 217.50 | | 217.50 |
130 | Tucson - Acrylic Lace Over Existing Concrete, per SF | 5.61 | | 729.30 |
| RAISED BOND BEAMS W/ TILE | ||||
23 | Tucson 18" Raised Bond Beam w/Tile LF | 155.30 | | 3,571.90 |
| RAISED BOND BEAM UPGRADE/ EXTRAS | ||||
1 | Sleeves in Deck (volleyball/umbrella) | 73.95 | | 73.95 |
1 | Sleeves in Pool, steps or benches only, no in floor | 73.95 | | 73.95 |
1 | Credit 2 Sleeves | -147.90 | | -147.90 |
| INTERIOR FINISH | ||||
861 | White Marble Plaster (1st 650 IA SF included in price) | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
211 | Interior Finish Greater than 650 IA SF | 6.16 | | 1,299.76 |
861 | Tucson Upgrade A Selections Pebble Radiance | 4.93 | | 4,244.73 |
| INTERIOR FINISH COLOR SELECTION | ||||
1 IA | Pebble Radiance Color Selection A Group | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
| TILE GROUP SELECTIONS | ||||
102 | 6" waterline tile (per foot), Perimeter included - TUCSON | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
| SPA WITH POOL | ||||
1 | Spa, 5 Jets, 360 LED Light, Air Canister - TUCSON | 10,083.45 | | 10,083.45 |
25 | Spa Plumbing Total Run | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
10 | Spa Plumbing Run greater than 15' | 29.73 | | 297.30 |
1 | Spectrum 360 Blue LED Spa Light(s) | 0.00 | | 0.00 |
1 | Credit for Spectrum 360 White or Blue LED Pool/Spa light | -544.84 | | -544.84 |
35 ft | Total Spa Light Conduit Run - TUCSON | 10.15 | | 355.25 |
1 | Multi-Color Spectrum 360 Spa Light | 640.34 | | 640.34 |
1 | Upgrade Spa Interior to Pebble Radiance - TUCSON | 1,070.00 | | 1,070.00 |
| HEATING & GAS | ||||
1 | 400,000 BTU Heater (natural gas) - Purchaser may have to upgrade gas meter/ANY UPGRADE IS AT PURCHASER'S EXPENSE | 4,362.93 | | 4,362.93 |
1 | Tucson Gas base (up to 20' run) | 1,330.00 | | 1,330.00 |
45 | Additional Gas line (Per Foot) over 20' - Tucson | 23.30 | | 1,048.50 |
1 | SPECIALS AND DISCOUNTS | | | |
| FREE | ||||
1 | FREE - Buy a pool/spa package and get a free IntelliFlo package upgrade | -1,145.51 | | -1,145.51 |
1 | FREE - Q360 Ultimate In-floor Cleaning System, (Base 14 Head System, extra heads, additional charge, Abyss and Eclipse included, no cleaner or unused head credit) | -3,364.50 | | -3,364.50 |
1 | FREE - Get one additional pool light, white or blue light run is additional | -588.44 | | -588.44 |
| 1/2 OFF | ||||
1 | 1/2 OFF - 400K Gas Heater with a purchase of an attached ground Spa with a pool: FREE! IF YOU SIGN BY 8/22/22 |
Would love feedback on the pool project
- Thread starter New2pools520
- Start date
Welcome to TFP.
Thanks for the detailed plan and pictures as that is helpful.
The pool and spa layout looks great. Some feedback
Great that you will have a Pentair VS pump and get the large filter (model 420 or 520). Also the Pentair 400BTU heater is great. Also, great with the Intellicenter and the IC40 SWCG. Ensure your SWCG is rated 2x your pool volume - so a IC40 would be suitable for a 20-25k gallon pool.
It seems to only indicate 1 skimmer. It is best to have 2 skimmers to allow for changes in wind direction or should there be an issue with a skimmer line in the future, you have that second skimmer. Also, each skimmer should have its own dedicated plumbing line back to the equipment for individual control.
There are pros and cons to infloor cleaning systems (IFCS). Some love them and others do not as they can be troublesome in the future to maintain. Best to search the forum for those views. If you elect to stay with the IFCS then have one of the components be to the standard wall pool returns. That way if there is a problem with the infloor returns you can change over to the standard wall returns.
Have your lights on the wall closest to your patio so the light shines away from your sitting area.
Others will chime in on additional views.
Thanks for the detailed plan and pictures as that is helpful.
The pool and spa layout looks great. Some feedback
Great that you will have a Pentair VS pump and get the large filter (model 420 or 520). Also the Pentair 400BTU heater is great. Also, great with the Intellicenter and the IC40 SWCG. Ensure your SWCG is rated 2x your pool volume - so a IC40 would be suitable for a 20-25k gallon pool.
It seems to only indicate 1 skimmer. It is best to have 2 skimmers to allow for changes in wind direction or should there be an issue with a skimmer line in the future, you have that second skimmer. Also, each skimmer should have its own dedicated plumbing line back to the equipment for individual control.
There are pros and cons to infloor cleaning systems (IFCS). Some love them and others do not as they can be troublesome in the future to maintain. Best to search the forum for those views. If you elect to stay with the IFCS then have one of the components be to the standard wall pool returns. That way if there is a problem with the infloor returns you can change over to the standard wall returns.
Have your lights on the wall closest to your patio so the light shines away from your sitting area.
Others will chime in on additional views.
Thanks for the welcome as well as the feedback! Unfortunately I found this site after everything has been finalized and they should be breaking ground in the next week, so any changes are probably not in the plans unless you guys saw something that would truly be catastrophic. I do see what you are saying as far as the skimmer goes, does having one skimmer matter as much if there isnt much potential for debris in the pool?
I failed to mention in the opening post that the pool is 30’x16, 3.5’ to 6’ and is roughly 12k gallons.
I’ve never had a pool so this site has already provided a ton of insight and knowledge.
tucsontico
LifeTime Supporter
Welcome aboard! I will second everything that HermanTx wrote. Since the plan has been finalized, I recommend you look at how the Tucson area predominate W/SW winds will affect what debris gets blown into your pool. I failed to do that and my only skimmer is on the west side of my pool (similar size to yours). Of course, with the W/SW winds most of the floating debris gets blown into the east end of my pool. The skimmer is effective but it takes a long time to clear! Would've been much better if my only skimmer was on the east wall but certainly way better if I had 2 skimmers! If your skimmer is planned on the "wrong" side I'd seriously consider paying for the change before they break ground. Good luck!
Thanks for update. The IC40 should be fine for the 12k gallons pool.
Do you have a main drain or just a skimmer? I assume you must have a main drain with an IFCS. if you cannot add that 2nd skimmer, I would ensure your main drain is plumbed separately from your skimmer. Sometimes they plumb the main drain to the skimmer and only have 1 line back to the equipment pad. I would have 2 separate lines - one for the main drain and one for the skimmer. That is minimal cost.
The other item would be to have standard returns on the wall as one of zones for your IFCS. That way you can always have standard wall returns if something goes wrong with the other zones of the IFCS.
Hope that works out for you.
- May 23, 2015
- 25,693
- Pool Size
- 16000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
As echoed above - an in-floor cleaning system with NO wall returns is a disaster waiting to happen. Maybe not to you but whoever owns the pool next would be advised to stay away from it. IFCS get abandoned quite regularly as the reach end of life because they eventually develop leaks or the heads become impossible to replace. So if anyone ever wanted to ditch the IFCS they would need to do a massively expensive renovation and replumbing job.
I personally can't stand IFCS and think they are not worth it at all. But there are those who love them. It's a Ford versus Chevy kind of debate. But having no dedicated wall returns ... honestly, your pool builder should be ashamed of themselves for pushing something like that.
And WOW ... $100k for that pool. Prices in Tucson have doubled in the 10 years since we built ours. A pool like that 10 years ago would have been a $50k project.
I personally can't stand IFCS and think they are not worth it at all. But there are those who love them. It's a Ford versus Chevy kind of debate. But having no dedicated wall returns ... honestly, your pool builder should be ashamed of themselves for pushing something like that.
And WOW ... $100k for that pool. Prices in Tucson have doubled in the 10 years since we built ours. A pool like that 10 years ago would have been a $50k project.
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Wow, I had no idea this would be such an issue. I honestly just figured they would set the pool up the way it should be. Any idea why they would even offer the pool setup this way. Any idea how much it might cost to add one? Also while the ifs is working properly would the pool function well?
I’m pretty sure this pool would have been 60k 3 years ago but seems like you should probably already be aware of the price increases. Thanks for the input
- May 23, 2015
- 25,693
- Pool Size
- 16000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
If the IFC system is working, sure then everything is fine. But if the IFCS fails, and they do fail, then you have NO CIRCULATION whatsoever until it gets fixed. That's really, really, really not-optimal.
Unfortunately you're coming to us late in the game on this project so there may not be a lot you can change without significantly changing the price. Adding more plumbing isn't a deal breaker nor should it be hugely expensive, but you should mull this over with the PB. I'm sure the PB is going to blow smoke at you and say that it's fine the way it is, and IFCS's are wonderful and he's never seen any fail, blah, blah, blah, but I would not want a pool without dedicated return lines. It's just asking for trouble.
I also don't like IFCS systems because the plumbing gets buried inside the gunite shell ... so there's no way of fixing a leak. Traditionally, you want in-wall returns that penetrate the pool wall and then run outside the pool in a trench to the equipment pad. That way, if there was a plumbing problem, the actual pipes are accessible with digging. Otherwise ... there's no fixing anything.
tucsontico
LifeTime Supporter
I agree with most everything JoyfulNoise says, except the IFCS. I do like mine. However, I have had to replace some parts in the mechanism and a pop-up head or two over the nearly 10 years I've owned the pool. That being said, if I were to do it over again, I'd would not install the IFCS and use that money for a good robotic cleaner. I currently have both (robotic cleaner and IFCS) and I haven't brushed my pool in 5 years!
Glad to hear you are happy with the system. Ours will have a lifetime warranty for whatever that is worth. Actually just went and picked the tile and decking colors today. I hear what you guys are saying but I’ll just have to put my faith in them that they know what they are doing and hope it all works out. I’m actually looking forward to brushing and taking care of the pool and of course swimming all year round when it’s done!
sktn77a
Gold Supporter
More of an observation than a response..... Just wondering what is included in the "Presidential Base Package - Tucson" at $45,000 when all of the add-ons amount to an additional $60,000!?
- May 23, 2015
- 25,693
- Pool Size
- 16000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
Just to set expectations - you can't swim all year round in Tucson. The water gets too cold in the winter and there comes a point where you can no longer run any heat source. Heatpumps don't work when the air temps are below 50-60F and a gas heater can not be run when the water temps are below 60F and the air temps are cold because the flue gas condensate will rot out a heat exchanger. Even with roof top solar, there usually isn't enough daylight at a high enough temperature in the winter to add any significant heat to a pool.
Realistically, the earliest you can swim (if you don't mind cold water) is mid to late March and the latest you can swim is typically the end of October. In those scenarios, you need to run your heat source and pool pump a lot and keep the pool covered when not in use or else the evaporative heat loss will dominate and you'll lose any heat you added to the pool. You can run an attached spa a little bit longer than a pool, but even that has limitations. The only water body you can run through a winter would be a separate hot tub with a solid cover. Many people around here have pools they use in the warm weather and a hot tub that they install on their patios to use in the winter.
Well that’s a bummer to learn, obviously I’m extremely new to pools as well as Arizona for that matter. Thanks for informing me of that.
Anyway, I have a new question. I know the water here is extremely hard. Do you locals typically install a whole house water filtration system to include the pool or how do you manage? If you go with filtration do you have one you’d recommend?
- May 23, 2015
- 25,693
- Pool Size
- 16000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
Yes, water here is extremely hard. If you value anything in your home, including your pool, install a whole house salt-based ion exchange softener and make sure your pool’s auto fill is fed using the softener. The initial pool will need to be filled with regular city water to establish the CH but all top offs after that should be run through the softener.
We installed our softener 5 years after the pool was built and I had to pay extra to have the auto fill line dug up and connected. It was one of the best decisions I ever made for my pool. My calcium hardness had reached 1500ppm by the time I got the softener installed and I needed to do a bunch of hard drains and refills to get it to 500ppm. But since doing that, the CH hasn’t budged.
Call WaterTec. They are a local Tucson company that is family owned and has been doing water treatment in Tucson for the last 50 years. They are the best. Also, get an RO tap for your kitchen sink too … I can’t drink the water here unless it is RO purified.
Thanks, I figured I should probably look into it and just sent an inquiry to WaterTec. So it’s easier to have it installed before the pool plumbing? Also if installed before the pool can I bypass a salt system in order to fill the pool with hard water?
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- May 23, 2015
- 25,693
- Pool Size
- 16000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
Well, you want to coordinate the installation so that there is a softener water line outside the house near where the pool is.
All water softeners can be bypassed manually. The details depend on if your house has a softener loop and manifold installed when it was built. If it was built to have a water softener, then it’s very easy to add the valves needed to do shutoffs and bypasses. My system is setup such that I can go into vacation mode ( water to the house interior shut off ) but still have softener water supplies to the auto fill line. There’s also a spigot inside the garage and outside the garage to supply water for cleaning cars filling wash buckets. It’s very convenient.
Excellent, we have the loop in the garage already just haven’t prioritized it to this point but will now. I assume I’ll need to make my pool builder aware of the softener addition?
Sorry if these are juvenile questions but I am green to softeners and pools
- May 23, 2015
- 25,693
- Pool Size
- 16000
- Surface
- Plaster
- Chlorine
- Salt Water Generator
- SWG Type
- Pentair Intellichlor IC-60
Yes. You will need to make sure your pool builder is aware that you will be providing a line for softened water outside to the pool so that his plumbers can do the appropriate hook up. It will likely require a backflow preventer assembly to be installed.