Tristar XE & Omnilogic Setup Question

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Dynamo84ll

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May 9, 2023
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Denver NC
Pool Size
17000
Surface
Plaster
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Hayward Aqua Rite (T-9)
Hello,

I have a Hayward Tristar XE (Model: SP3215X20XE) and an Omnilogic controller. Pool builder set it up as a single speed pump within the configuration wizard on the Omni, but it looks like pump is a VSP. I'm currently operating the pump 12 hours daily based on the schedule within the Omni app, although I'm not sure what speed the pump is running. I'd like to get feedback on how to optimize setup:
  1. Can this pump be setup as a VSP in the Omnilogic to control pump speed? I cant find any reference to omni setup in the owners manual
  2. If I cant use the Omni app, should I setup the 3 intervals outlined in the owners manual (Interval 1 - 4 Hrs; Interval 2: 8 Hrs; Interval 3: 12 Hrs)? The owners manual has 6 speed settings, what % and duration would you recommend I run the pump at?
  3. How would the intervals work with the pump on/off schedule I have setup within the Omni controller?
 
If this is your pump it is not a VS pump...

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TriStar XE 2.25 Total HP

TriStar XE is the best way to install a pump that complies with Dept. of Energy regulations in any new or existing pool.
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What SWG and cell size do you have?

You run your pump for a reason - filtering, skimming, generating chlorine from the SWG. How much time does your pool need for those tasks?
 
Dynamo84ll said:
Hello,

I have a Hayward Tristar XE (Model: SP3215X20XE) and an Omnilogic controller. Pool builder set it up as a single speed pump within the configuration wizard on the Omni, but it looks like pump is a VSP. I'm currently operating the pump 12 hours daily based on the schedule within the Omni app, although I'm not sure what speed the pump is running. I'd like to get feedback on how to optimize setup:
  1. Can this pump be setup as a VSP in the Omnilogic to control pump speed? I cant find any reference to omni setup in the owners manual
  2. If I cant use the Omni app, should I setup the 3 intervals outlined in the owners manual (Interval 1 - 4 Hrs; Interval 2: 8 Hrs; Interval 3: 12 Hrs)? The owners manual has 6 speed settings, what % and duration would you recommend I run the pump at?
  3. How would the intervals work with the pump on/off schedule I have setup within the Omni controller?
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There are several speeds available that can be programmed into the run schedule of the pump that starts when power is applied through a relay.

From the manual:
"There are six speeds available on the XE pumps. When programming the Daily Schedule (page 11), refer to this information. "
"The daily schedule starts as soon as power is applied to the pump. After priming, the pump will run at the speed programmed in Interval 1 for four hours, and then it will change to the speed programmed in Interval 2 for eight hours, and finally the speed of Interval 3 for twelve hours. After the end of Interval 3, the pump will return to the start of Interval 1. This daily schedule will run continuously until power is removed from the pump.
In order to ensure the pump operates throughout the day at the desired speed, apply power to the pump at a time suitable for the application.
If it is desired that the pump run at 50% at all times, apply power to the pump and use the default schedule. If different speeds are desired, program the daily schedule as shown on page 11.
Important: Any time power is removed and re-applied to the pump, such as turning off a switch or breaker, the pump will restart the daily schedule at the beginning of Interval 1. The start of the daily schedule will always be the time at which power is applied to the pump. Note that when power is removed from the pump, the LED will blink for a short period and you must wait for the LED to fully turn off before reapplying power. This may take up to 30 seconds. If power is applied while the LED is still blinking, the motor will not start for 6 minutes. This delay can be overridden if the button is pressed."

To get the best value from your pump, speeds should be set to allow it to run slower and longer as needed.
 
Controlling the XE pump with a Pool Automation Control

The XE line of pumps can be controlled by automation controls using an ON/OFF output.

This operation uses the automation control’s high voltage relay to apply/remove power to the pump.

If your pool automation control features a schedule function for the relay output, the pump can be turned on and off daily at preset times and be allowed to run for a fixed amount of time.

Because there is no means of communication to the XE pumps, the automation control will not be able to offer remote programming or speed control, it will only turn the pump on and off to run the programmed daily schedule.

The most common application may be to run the pump at a single speed by setting all Interval speeds the same and have the pool control power it on and off each day.

If various speeds are desired, combine Interval programming with the pool control’s schedule to gain more control over the pump’s operation.

For example, you can control the exact amount of run time and end the operation in the middle of any Interval.

Restarting the pump will always restart the daily schedule at Interval 1 so running two or more schedules in one day will allow you to repeat Interval(s) within a 24 hour period.

This type of control is not available if the pump is connected to constant power.

When using a pool automation control, input wiring to the XE pump shown on page 8 will come directly from the relay output of the control.

Refer to your specific pool control’s manual for these wiring instructions.
 
Thank you all! I'm honestly a little lost with the performance curve data. I do appreciate the automation controller excerpt, verifies my assumption that I can just use the Omni automation for on/off and scheduling. Since the weather has really cooled off here in North Carolina i've turned down the SWG drastically to reduce chlorine output to maintain my FC/TC PPM, but I'm still running the pump 12 hours daily to help with all the fall debris blowing into the pool. Think I should go with a 12 hour interval at 50% and see how it plays out? Once we get into winter and the tree debris slows should I reduce run time even further?

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Dynamo84ll said:
I'm honestly a little lost with the performance curve data.
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Where the red line crosses the pump curve at a speed is approximately the flow at that speed.

30% (1,035 RPM) is probably fine as long as the SWG shows "Flow".

30% should give you about 25 GPM.

Speed..........Flow GPM........Speed%
1,035.............25..........................30%
1,225.............30..........................36%
1,500.............37..........................43%
1,725.............42..........................50%
2,550.............62..........................74%
2,850.............71..........................83%
3,450.............84..........................100%

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