Tackling a high CH.

Steve H

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Oct 26, 2016
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Lake Havasu City, AZ
Hello everybody, long time since I've posted, we are dealing with a high CH level and any in put would be helpful, draining 80% of the pool is not an option now, I do have a small RO system that I can incorporate into the system to work on lowering the CH level.

any in put would be appreciated.

thx

Steve
 
Can you post up a full set of test results.

My CH is 875 right now. Will drain later this winter ---
 
at 875 I would be dancing in the pool, I'm at 1375, the rest of the numbers are good, learned some more info today so I will be weighing the options on how to tackle this problem, we will contact the water department on doing a pool refill, ours is 13,500 gallons.
 
This is how I exchange the water in my pool.

You can exchange some water without draining.

If you place a low volume sub pump in the deep end and pull water from there while adding water in the shallow end (through a skimmer or into a bucket on a step so you lessen the water disturbance) you can do a fairly efficient exchange. That is assuming the water you are filling with is the same temperature or warmer than your pool water. If your fill water is much cooler than your pool water, then switch it. Add the water to the deep end (hose on bottom) and pull water from the top step.

The location of the pump and fill hose may change if you have salt water, high calcium, etc.
In my pool, with saltwater and high calcium when I drain, I put the pump in the deep end and hose in shallow end. The water in the pool weighs more per unit volume than the fill water from the hose.

Be sure to balance the water out and water in so the pool level stays the same. Also be sure your pool pump is disabled during this process. Once started do not stop until you have exchanged the amount of water you wish.
 
1240ppm....was 1500ppm in the spring but drained some. I’ve installed a whole-house water softener with a connection to my autofill line. My pool is now on a steady diet of zero CH fill water. I will be draining more once the weather cools and I recently acquired a higher discharge sub pump to do the differential draining that Marty described (pump in the deep end, fill water into the skimmer, no pumps running.

An RO system is useless on a pool for several reasons -

1. Unless you’re able to generate operating pressures above 100psi, RO is highly inefficient and the waste fraction will be very high (50% waste or more).

2. RO membranes are destroyed by chlorine so unless you pre treat the water going into it, the chlorine will quickly make a mess of the filter.

3. RO filters have very specific TDS requirement (salt + CH) and if you exceed them, you will lose efficiency.

4. RO membranes can foul very quickly with calcium scale so you either need to keep the TDS of the waste water in control (meaning you send a lot of water down the drain) OR you need to inject a scale inhibitor into the input line to keep calcium from scaling out.

Companies that sell RO services for pools are often less cost-effective than simply draining and refilling. Their main selling point is that you don’t have to drain the pool but rarely is their equipment any more efficient than a 25% waste fraction meaning that you will be running your hose into the pool while they are “filtering” you water. When you factor in their service charge plus the cost of the water you add to the pool as make-up, you’ve typically spent about twice what it would have cost you to simply drain and refill.
 
Hi Matt that info on the RO system is what I learned today, interesting idea about the water softener for the fill water.

There are companies that will install an outdoor grade softener just for pools. Mine is a large system designed for an entire house (with a large family) and so there’s some extra capacity. It was also easy to run a copper line from the softener in my garage (where the plumbing service loop was) out to the buried fill line.
 

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Marty we're 60+ miles apart, of course the fill water is the same or higher temp than the pool, that's life in the desert. :)

So true. But I believe your water is more expensive than ours. Water cost for me to drain/refill is ~$18.

I believe you have a sewer charge based on winter use so I would suggest you think about doing the exchange before that kicks in.
 
So true. But I believe your water is more expensive than ours. Water cost for me to drain/refill is ~$18.

I believe you have a sewer charge based on winter use so I would suggest you think about doing the exchange before that kicks in.

Multiply your number by 10 and that would start to approximate the cost of draining and refilling my pool..... :sad:
 
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