TA 400/High Salt

[Flying Tivo]

Can a high Ta affect IC-60 with a high salt reading with new salt in pool ? Brand new IC!

 

[ajw22]

Affect the IC-60 in what way?

High TA can lead to scaling in the cell.

 

[JoyfulNoise]

What is the salinity of your pool water from an independent test like the K-1766?

High TA would not cause a High Salt alarm.

 

[Flying Tivo]

The ic read high salt before adding salt. But just added 1600 ppm. Fresh fill with 300 CH and low ph would guess around 6.8 yellow. Pointing to a bad sensor but want to rule out.

 

[Jimrahbe]

FT,

I doubt it is a bad "sensor", more likely you...

To know if the salt level is actually high or low, you need to have the ability to test the salt level.. I use a Taylor K-1766 salt test kit..

Why would you add 1600 ppm of salt?? It is not near what the IC60 needs to work and if you already had salt in the pool, it may now be too high??

How long after you added the salt did you start the IC60? You need to wait 24 hours to make sure the salt is well distributed. If you turn the cell on too soon, it can see a pocket of high salt and read that.. It only tests for salt once every 12 hours, so once it sees high salt, it will just keep saying that for 12 hours, or until you restart the cell.

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[ajw22]

Do you have an independent salinity test from the K-1766 salt test?

Are you replacing an IC40 cell? Take the flow switch/temperature sensor from your old cell and put it in your new cell.

The sensor that could be off is the temperature sensor.

Pressing the “More” button after the display shows 1,000s of hours of usage, will show temperature as follows:

Lights	Temperature
No LEDs	Below 30F
40%	36 to 45F
40% and 60%	46 to 55F
60%	56 to 65F
60% and 80%	66 to 75F
80%	76 to 85F
80 and 100%	86 to 95F
100%	96 to 99F
100% blinking	over 99F
All LEDs blinking	Sensor bad

Press and hold the More button until the lights scroll and note which % light lights up. Then, immediately press the More button again and see which % lights light up.

 

[Flying Tivo]

Back at Home. Sorry guys for the sketchy question, was at the lake house setting up the new pool and very slow internet.
To recapitulate:

New pool at the lake house
Fill water numbers
Ph 6.5(best guess,yellow)
Ta 400
CH 300
Salt did not test

Filled up with Well pump(neat trick, i plumed 1.5 inch well pipe to the Main drains with valve) filled up 87,000 lts in 4 hrs.
Added 40ppm of CYA via sock method
Added 2000ppm of salt to start but before i run up all the equipment primed and the IC read 9000 on the screenlogic app. That is why i was intrigued that the sensor could be wrong or maybe a high TA could affect the reading which was doubtful but that is why i asked anyways.

What is the salinity of your pool water from an independent test like the K-1766?

After adding the 2000ppm of salt, the test read 1,600 which is to be expected as it was a fast test after adding. I did a restart on the ic60 and it still read 9000. Just to be clear the cell was started to check the test cycle but was set to 0% production on the app, so it would not run the plates. Added 8ppm of FC Liquid.

After this went for a quick bite to eat for lunch, after returning 2 hrs later ran full test again.
Fc 7.4
ph 6.5( best guess)
Ta 350
Ch 250
Cya 40 (presumed)
Salt 2000
temp 21ºC
CSI -0.41

Ran the IC cycle and read 1950ppm, then added another60 Kgs of salt to reach 2900 which is what i like.
Checked the app a few minutes ago and the IC read 2900ppm.

I doubt it is a bad "sensor", more likely you...

If i was in wife input Mode "ON", then 99.9% of the time this statement would definitely be True! I do have to fess up that the IC-60 was installed backwards and could not get the flow switch to turn green. My light bulb is more of a Vacuum tube!
This is where i tough i had all the pool knowledge needed to startup a new pool, just to come back to bite me. As of right now the pool is up and running fine. IC is setup to run 30% for 24 hrs as a startup begging tomorrow.

Are you replacing an IC40 cell?

My pool logs does not show the second pool setup i have(lake house IC-60). @Leebo Is there a way to see both Pool logs when you click on the PoolMath Logs icon? Or a button to switch pool as in the app?

Allen, Matt and Jim, thank you very much for your support.

 

[JoyfulNoise]

Something is not right with your pH results. No way under the current laws of physics and chemistry in this universe that your pH can at 6.5 and your TA is 300ppm. If you’re using a pH meter then it needs serious recalibration. If it’s a reagent test then you need to check your reagents against a standard.

 

[ajw22]

pool logs does not show the second pool setup i have(lake house IC-60). @Leebo Is there a way to see both Pool logs when you click on the PoolMath Logs icon? Or a button to switch pool as in the app?

I was looking at your signature that showed an IC40. See if you can put the basics of Pool A and B in your signature and tell us which one we are discussing.

Salt takes a good 24 hours to dissolve and disperse in the water. I think your IC60 salinity was wonky because it was getting slugs of water with different salinity. And I don't think the cell does real time measurements but samples the water occasionally when the generation is off at 0%.

You need to let the salt level settle down for 24-48 hours and then see what the cell and the K-1766 say.

 

[Jimrahbe]

FT,

The salt test will not work unless the flow light is green.. I can only assume that the flashing "Railroad crossing" salt test, times out after a while, and then shows max salt level.. I'll have to keep that in mind the next time we see this issue.

Good catch on turning the cell around to fix the flow issue..

Thanks,

Jim R.

 

[Flying Tivo]

No way under the current laws of physics and chemistry

Exactly why my question was very loosely at first. My mind knew something was not right and was trying to blame the TA. FYI they are 2 different K-2006C kits for pool A and B. Next trip i will take my kit to compare. Thanks again.

 

[Mdragger88]

Back at Home. Sorry guys for the sketchy question, was at the lake house setting up the new pool and very slow internet.
To recapitulate:

New pool at the lake house
Fill water numbers
Ph 6.5(best guess,yellow)
Ta 400
CH 300
Salt did not test

Filled up with Well pump(neat trick, i plumed 1.5 inch well pipe to the Main drains with valve) filled up 87,000 lts in 4 hrs.
Added 40ppm of CYA via sock method
Added 2000ppm of salt to start but before i run up all the equipment primed and the IC read 9000 on the screenlogic app. That is why i was intrigued that the sensor could be wrong or maybe a high TA could affect the reading which was doubtful but that is why i asked anyways.

After adding the 2000ppm of salt, the test read 1,600 which is to be expected as it was a fast test after adding. I did a restart on the ic60 and it still read 9000. Just to be clear the cell was started to check the test cycle but was set to 0% production on the app, so it would not run the plates. Added 8ppm of FC Liquid.

After this went for a quick bite to eat for lunch, after returning 2 hrs later ran full test again.
Fc 7.4
ph 6.5( best guess)
Ta 350
Ch 250
Cya 40 (presumed)
Salt 2000
temp 21ºC
CSI -0.41

Ran the IC cycle and read 1950ppm, then added another60 Kgs of salt to reach 2900 which is what i like.
Checked the app a few minutes ago and the IC read 2900ppm.


If i was in wife input Mode "ON", then 99.9% of the time this statement would definitely be True! I do have to fess up that the IC-60 was installed backwards and could not get the flow switch to turn green. My light bulb is more of a Vacuum tube!
This is where i tough i had all the pool knowledge needed to startup a new pool, just to come back to bite me. As of right now the pool is up and running fine. IC is setup to run 30% for 24 hrs as a startup begging tomorrow.

My pool logs does not show the second pool setup i have(lake house IC-60). @Leebo Is there a way to see both Pool logs when you click on the PoolMath Logs icon? Or a button to switch pool as in the app?

Allen, Matt and Jim, thank you very much for your support.

If you have sharing switched on for both pools they are both visible- u have to do this in the settings for each pool.
you just have to keep scrolling past the 1st one. I scrolled back all the way & only see one pool on yours.
You can check mine and u will see my spa well below my pool logs

 

[Flying Tivo]

If you have sharing switched on for both pools they are both visible

I just did and they both show. Thought the main sharing settings would apply, but not. As you can see the new logs, both test kits proved to be the same, and as @Jimrahbe said, It was all ME! Too many things on my hands while launching a new pool and automation. Since i like my ph on the low side, this pools TA is going to help. Just lowered my PH to 7.0 and my CSI is 0.04, i will mostl likely need to keep it down low. Now i have to fight a leak. First step is to close the skimmers and let the water drop. Will keep you posted.
Thanks again.