Switch to Cartridge Filter

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Holly Springs, NC
Pool Size
22000
Surface
Fiberglass
Chlorine
Salt Water Generator
SWG Type
Pentair iChlor 30
This post is about switching from sand filter to a cartridge filter. Let's get some preliminaries out of the way. I've owed two pools since 1996 with sand filters so I'm quite knowledgeable on their operation. I am familiar with cartridge filters even though I've never owned one. I'm not trying to solve a filtering problem. The sand filter works just fine. I'm trying to solve or at least possibly prepare to solve an issue with the backflush water.

I bought this house with a pool that has a sand filter installed. The previous owner hard piped the backflush outlet to the property line at the back of the lot. Behind my house is unmaintained wood HOA land. It is steeply sloped away from my back yard. Below my property is the town's storm water runoff for the neighborhood. The pipe exit is around 4 to 5 foot in diameter. During a rain storm, it sound like a river flowing behind my house. Even though they dumped large rocks at the exit of the pipe, the water flow is slowly eroding the water runoff creek bed. It's cut about a 10 foot deep ditch into the wooded area. I have a good feeling that it won't be many years before the town addresses the issue.

When I backflush, the water volume out the 2" pipe is cutting its own little ditch into the hillside. The backflush water runs directly into the outflow from the stormwater pipe. I have this feeling that the town will not be happy to see backflush being dumped into the woods. Also I'm an HOA board member. It probably doesn't look good that I'm dumping my pool water on the HOA land.

For the above reasons, I'm thinking about switching to a cartridge filter since I would eliminate backflushing. If I do think this is the solution, I have to consider if I want to be proactive and do it now or reactive when the town makes me do it. That may never happen but with the current erosion situation, I think it may be in the next few years. As for different solutions on where to dump the water from the current sand filter, I thought of two. One is to run the backflush to the sewer cleanout in the front yard. That would be a long run to that cleanout and I'm not sure the town would like that either. The other is to remove the hard pipe and just use a backflush hose to dump it on the yard. That really doesn't help much. I'm on a cul-de-sac so my lot is more wide than deep. It's only about 8 foot from the pool to the fence line. Not much yard to spread out the water runoff which would still end up running down the hill to the stormwater runoff area.

If you read this far, would you opt to switch to a cartridge filter? If so, what cartridge filter would you recommend? It shouldn't be hard to fit one in the space now occupied by the sand filter. The current pool equipment my pool has is in my signature. The pump will be replaced sometime in the future since I want to go to a larger one to run the system at even less rpm. I think I've decided to wait until the current one dies but it wouldn't take much for me to change my mind since I don't like the current one.
 
Pentair CCP filter. The largest that fits your equipment pad.
 
If cost is an issue, @Jimrahbe has been trying out a Waterway filter...

 
HB,

I have a Pentair CCP-520 at my house and have installed two Waterway (325 and 425) at rent houses..

I would recommend either of them..



The larger the filter the slower you can run your pump and still move a lot of water. And the less often they have to be cleaned.. (Once or twice a year)

Thanks,

Jim R.
 
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I have several decisions to make. First decision is do I want to install the filter myself or hire it out. I can buy any brand if I install it myself. If I hire it out, I lean towards buying a Hayward filter. The reason is that I have a good relationship with a pool builder and supply place. They are a Hayward dealer. The Pentair dealers in this area are Leslie and a local pool supply that is not rated highly. There are a lot of customer complaints and they never called me back last year when I was inquiring about pumps.

Second decision is do I want to install a heater bypass on my system? Currently, there isn't one. If a good amount of piping on the pad is being redone, it would be a good opportunity to install a bypass. I would lean more towards hiring out the project if I add this bypass.

Third decision is do I cap off the current PVC backwash pipe or do I retain it for wastewater drainage by installing a three-way valve between the pump and filter? I could use it for quick draining of excess rainwater instead of using a slower utility pump. But then that doesn't fix the potential problem of the town objecting to the use of it.
 
1. Actually I have not made a decision. Part of me wants to install it myself because I'm cheap and because it appeals to the tinkering engineer side of me. If I do hire it out, I may consider Leslie if I stick with Pentair. I have talked to someone at Leslie before and he has a list of local installers he uses. He said to not request installation through their website.
2. The reason I'm questioning the heater bypass is that I had one on my previous pool and never used it. One reason is that I'm not into automation. I prefer most stuff manual. I'm not sure I can train my wife to move the valve correctly if she wanted to use the heater. After reading the heater bypass link you provided, a cartridge filter and heater bypass could help eliminate one of my complaints with the current pump. In the current configuration, I need to run my pump at 2000 rpm to keep the heater and SWG happy. Bypassing the heater and replacing the sand filter with a cartridge filter may let me lower the rpm of the pump to save more energy. It still won't eliminate my dislike for the pump in that it only allows 3 speeds to be set where on my last pool the Hayward had 8 user programmed speeds. The 3 speeds are highly constricting on how I want to run the pool.
 
My decades old sand filter died a couple of years ago, and I converted to the Pentair cartridge. Best change ever - and I only have to clean the carts once a year.
As far as waste: While not having the slope issue you describe, I did originally dump the waste out of a 2" pipe onto a less used part of the property. But it did quickly create gullies that the gardener in the family hated. To resolve, I use an old plastic "disposable" big flower pot left over from buying plants in the spring. About 8"x20"x10" deep. Dug a rectangular hole for it so it would sit flush with the ground, and drilled a bunch of drain holes in the bottom. The end of the waste pipe angled down into this sump. The plastic absorbed the erosive forces, and the overflow spread water gently over the landscape.
With the new filter, I moved the location, and made the sump pit bigger - about 2'x3'x1'. Put in a 3-way so I could continue to direct waste. Far, far less discharge than with the old sand filter. Only used after heavy rains when I have to lower the pool a few inches.

Since I do have to lower the pool a lot in prep for winter, I run a temporary flexible line out to the street for lowering then, but that hasn't changed just because I got a different filter - but I do use the same waste line to tie in to the extension.

So, with the filter change, dumping water will become a much rarer event. Try the sump pit idea, it pretty much eliminates any erosion. So much, that water crossing over the property line will likely never be detected, unless they are right there to see it at the moment. Plant some grass, hostas, shrubbery, etc. to further buffer on your side of the line, and it will never be an issue.