South Florida - New In-ground Large Build

I think it is purrfect! Room for everyone and all kinds of fun! You still have yard to enjoy and room for your deck for more enjoyment.

Now IF the pool came all the way to the end of the patio THEN the decking went into the "yard" area............THAT would be too big!

Kim:kim:
 
I’m wondering if it’s too close to the side fence, and whether it should be shoved over more towards the open area. Do you have, or can you borrow, any chaise lounges? Have you thought about where you might want some? They can take up a lot of room, plus room to walk around them. I see a couple in that back corner, away from it all. Is there room for a couple back there! Plot some furniture around your pool, even with tape or string, and walk around it all. See how it fits/feels. Tables and chairs and loungers and end tables all take up more room than you might think... Better now than to find out later you didn’t leave enough space...
 
post.jpgThanks for the input Dirk.
I believe to pool does fit the area. We thought about putting it more towards the center of the house but really wanted to avoid chopping the yard up.
As you can see in the diagram, the red square by the patio is the tightest spot....it is at 6'. But we did this for a reason.....hopefully it keeps people from congregating at the sliding glass door area right there and utilize the HUGE patio just to the right of that area!!!! The area just after that first red square is going to be all decking and is 10' from house to pool. That should be plenty if someone wants to put a lounge and a chair or two.
The second "tight" space is the second red square at the end of the pool. We have 11' from property line to pool.....I need a 3' easement.....so we have 8' of decking capability. But as you can see, we only wanted this area as a "traffic lane" to get to a nice big (at least 15 x 15) area in the back corner (Blue square). Same with the opposite side of the pool. That area is mainly a way to get to the back corner area. But we are capable of decking 8' there also.
So main area is, of course, the large patio we create with decking on the right side of pool
Then we have the small (LOL...10' x 30') area by the large window that can be used as additional area for chairs, table, etc
And if you want to get intimate....you have the large area in blue.........in the corner. We also made the pool water height 3'6 at this side, so people can hang out in this area and talk to people on the patio. They can kneel and/or hang on the coping.
None of the decking sketches are final, so we are open to all ideas.

On another note, i think we are going to pull all the palm trees out before excavation. One reason is we dont have to design around them. Two, I think I want to get that back corner area up to grade before they start the pool. This way I can use some of the dirt from the pool area, I can drop in drainage pipe, and I can use a machine to do it. I'm afraid its going to be tight getting machinery in that area after excavation

What does everyone think?
 
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Did you move the pool closer to the fence, or make it longer? In your original rendering, you show room for lounges back in that corner. Did that go away?

And I probably shouldn't rehash, but I still think this to be true:

I'm following your logic about the placement. I'll just pose this. I have several seating areas around my pool. One in particular is very nice, with some very comfortable furniture, a fire pit, close to kitchen and bath. Shaded, landscaped, running fountain, beautiful flagstone floor, end tables, lamps, the works. The apple of my yard! No one ever sits there during swim time. Prime seating is under the patio, closest to the pool. Hands down. Not out in the yard, but under the patio, where people (mostly parents in my case) can watch and interact with other people enjoying the pool (mostly kids in my case), in the shade. So, hypothetically, if you set up four otherwise equal tables, one where that beautiful couch area is now under the patio, another to its left (where I think you said your door is, and two more out in the yard... the one by the door, closest to where the "pool action" is, would fill up first. And people would pull chairs over from the other tables to sit with everyone else there. I think it's a similar phenomenon to people gathering around the kitchen while cooking is going on, even if there's a more comfortable area elsewhere. People want to be where the people are. Right now your prime seating/gathering area is, in essence, a walkway instead.

Speaking of which, and maybe it's just a rendering software thing, but you have no outdoor table plotted in those renders. You definitely want one, and they take up a lot of room (with chairs and room to pull them out and walk around them). Seating for six bare minimum, the more the better.

I would have placed the pool even with patio, like way over to the right. That's just me.

And the 10' space you mention (between the two red squares)... A lounge chair is at least six feet long, some are longer. Facing the pool, that'd leave 2' at each end to walk around. Or a table, with chairs pulled out, would also impede traffic for walking around. See what I mean? 10' sounds like a lot, but it isn't. Still suggesting you plot out your furniture to help you visualize how all those areas are going to work for you...

Are you planning to add shade over that 10' area? If you do, that's where people will congregate. If you don't they'll hide under the patio roof, and the existing seating area is isolated a bit from the pool. If you have time and are motivated, I would move your boards way right and just stare at if for a day, see how it feels.

What is your plan for the rest of the yard that you are trying to preserve? The pool is now your center piece, and it seems you're trying to hide it on one side of the yard.

And I acknowledge that I can't, at all, really speak to any of this from a few photos. So this is probably all in my head. It's a "you had to be there" kind of thing, for sure...
 
No, Dirk....keep coming with thoughts!!!
That's what I need. The rendering is not exact. It was more of a concept and to get the feel of what the pool shape would look like. We have had many BBQ's over here and it seems everyone is around that (kinda like the kitchen thing). So my thinking is is at the end of the patio (where the couch shows) will be the outdoor kitchen area. This way, if they are not swimming, I am hoping the filter over my way while i cook. Remember also, we are "kid-less"!!!!! Strictly adults!!!! Of course kids will come here and then, but mainly it is adult party's....
Opposite of the pool, in the far right corner of the property will be a some type of pergola thing with maybe a fire pit.
Other than that.........grass.

I went out and moved some furniture into some of the "tight" spots.....you are right, it can get tight if you put A LOT of furniture around those areas. Proper placement will make it more of a "homey" feeling!!!
The back left corner.......there is more room there than appears. We were thinking a sun shade and a removable hammock which can be swapped out for chairs/lounges, etc

And then there is all that room just off the sundeck/sitting area of the pool. That will tie in the pool area and the BBQ area. It is going to be large area....and it will have a sun setter shade extending out to provide shade!

Going to ponder on your thoughts....Thanks for the advice

Question for everyone --- is 3' from the fence out enough for a landscape area? We don't want a lot of landscape on the backside of pool and towards the left, but it still needs to look nice!
 
Kids vs adults-only makes a big difference, for sure. Totally changes the dynamic of how space is used. So our use-cases are different. My pool is way off to the left of my yard, because that's the only place it could go. I have a nice view of it from my master, which is nice, but wish it was more in front of my living room, which might be what drives my comments. I don't winterize, so I have year-round pool maintenance (with only a 6-month swim season). The extra effort is justified by being able to enjoy the view of my pool year-round (so my pool "use" is not just about being outside with it, and swimming in it). As I spend way more time in the great room than in the bedroom (awake, anyway), I wish my pool view was from the great room. It would extend that room, and at night would be amazing.

I think they will congregate near your kitchen. And if your table is near there, to the right of the pool, that'll be a nice area. My BBQ is well away from my outdoor table, which is good. Too close and even a slight breeze can smoke out a table too close to a BBQ.

Pergola and/or fire pit area sounds great. But they don't take up that much room. And if you don't have kids needing a big lawn for fun and games, that might accommodate moving the pool over some, if that idea has any traction.

Sounds like you're giving this some good thought to spaces and their uses, including shade, which is my only real agenda...

When you've got everything dug up is the time to think about running pipes and wires. You definitely want landscape lighting surrounding your yard and pool. Extra 120V outlets. Extra hose bibs. Ethernet, video, speakers, etc are things that can be nice to have in and around your yard. Think about and plan for those things now. Run extra pipes and wires even if you don't have the immediate need. You can pull all kinds of things through large conduit at a later date. Once the deck goes down, some of those options vanish.
 
I say a pretty rock garden! 3' is mighty close to the water for many plants. Remember plants=stuff=mess in pool or decking=more work! Go to a rock yard and find a really neat large rock. Build a neat area around it with large river rocks.

Kim:kim:
 

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I say a pretty rock garden! 3' is mighty close to the water for many plants. Remember plants=stuff=mess in pool or decking=more work! Go to a rock yard and find a really neat large rock. Build a neat area around it with large river rocks.

Kim:kim:

Kim, I think he meant how deep to make the landscape area, not how far from the pool it should be. Though that is a consideration, too. My kids splash and shoot water all over. Not so good for plants too close, for sure. (Especially with a salt water pool.)

I think 3' of landscaping is plenty. You could do some very nice stuff in even a foot...
 
Well Dirk, you might get your wish (a little bit)....I just talked with my neighbor, who put a pool in about a year ago. He said that the HOA we are under requires a 5 foot easement from the property line on hardscapes. The city I live in requires 3 feet on hardscapes and 5 feet on pool. I cant believe a HOA can do that.
When i emailed them a month ago, they told me "as long as you don't impinge on property lines and utility easements, what ever the city has for code....goes.
Well obviously i need to go to the office and make them put in writing what is required.

If this is true, I will shift the pool about 2' to the right.....that should satisfy everyone. And I guess I will have a 5' landscape area (which is a lot)! to be continued!!!
 
It's a bit dubious what HOAs can actually control. They'll say what they want, but that doesn't necessarily make it lawful, or binding. Some try to ban solar panels, for example, but that's illegal. I digress, let me see what else I can come up with to get you to shove it over even more! ;)
 
OK ........
After many phone calls, meetings, etc. to get someone to answer pertinent questions about setbacks, inspection processes and so on.........WE HAVE PLANS!!!!!!

These are the preliminary set....they are not sealed or signed yet. I wanted to go over them with a fine tooth comb and make sure it is right. And I see problems already!!!!

PLEASE .....dissect, criticize, suggest, change, add, remove anything and everything!!!! I dont want to miss something - and I know there are experts out there - so please help
 

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I just started back to school (Kdg. Teacher) today so had NO internet time until now so...............first off the plans are too small to read the words and I am on my lap top so I should be able to see them :( I want to help you "fix" the problems!!!

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