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I do not recommend WWF or WWM. It doesn't perform its duty very well and is difficult to get it in the center of the slab. If reinforcement is needed, then use fiber or rebar.

Where WWM is useful is for the bond grid but not all jurisdictions allow it.
 
This could be an industry slang terms issue separating us. Fiber=fabric=mesh=welded wire grid. It appears that I left my ACI manual at work. Where I don't actually have one.

Titan, read the NEC, check your local codes (but nobody has them for pools...), and try to make an informed decision. I could be wrong -? Thinking not wrong, tho. Residential sidewalks don't have reinforcing, or gravel, for that matter, just 4" poured concrete, because its cheap, 4' wide, etc.
 
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What are your intentions with the rebar? Fiber completely replaces it. Slabs for houses and garage floors don't even use 24" o.c. rebar and they support several thousands of pounds. Your pool deck would be lucky to see 100 psi. Rebar adds to concrete's biggest weakness-tensile forces, it does absolutely nothing to increase compressive strength.

The slump is the measure of water content in the mix. The more water, the higher the slump. The more water, the more shrinkage and ultimately more cracks. The water/cement ratio should never exceed 0.5/1, with 0.25 be all that's required for hydration, the rest of the water is to allow the mix to flow through the pump and aid in finishing. Every additional gallon beyond 0.5 per yard decreases the cured strength by 100 PSI. The water in the soil adds to this which is why i recommend a dry base. You may pay for 3000 psi but end up with much less.

I know you are concerned with your expansive soil but it is no different than what I deal with (mostly clay with DG) and in my opinion, pavers are ideal because they allow movement with the soil as opposed to concrete that does not and quickly shows it's weaknesses.

Sawed joints are best left to commercial jobs that have concrete mixes heavily regulated, machine screeds and early entry saws that allow the concrete to be cut as soon as 1-2 hours after finishing, none of which will be used on your job.

Irregular joints are placed where they are needed and where cracks can be anticipated rather then making them into a pattern or uniformity. I can post pictures if you'd like.
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Thanks Brian, Photos would be awesome. We should start having to pay you as an expert here on TFP! You have help me alot and I am sure others will benefit from my questions and your answers!
 
And now for the peanut gallery...I like the large squares because you can play four square or tic tac toe.
 
Tile is done, went by one more supplier and found something that looked perfect. Here it is out in the sun, of course the iPhone is picture is not exact.

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It's very similar to the NPT Gemstone blue, but when I placed them next to each other this one really stood out, had just a little darker blue and a bit more gold mixed in, compated to the NPT which has a bit of lavendar in it. The two pieces represent the oposite ends of the variations in shade and color. Wife loves it so we are GTG. Thanks for the help on selection.
 
Helen203 said:
This could be an industry slang terms issue separating us. Fiber=fabric=mesh=welded wire grid. It appears that I left my ACI manual at work. Where I don't actually have one.

Titan, read the NEC, check your local codes (but nobody has them for pools...), and try to make an informed decision. I could be wrong -? Thinking not wrong, tho. Residential sidewalks don't have reinforcing, or gravel, for that matter, just 4" poured concrete, because its cheap, 4' wide, etc.
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In California, the building codes that are adhered to are:

California Building Code, 2013 edition
Uniform Housing Code, 2013 edition
Uniform Code for the Abatement of Dangerous Buildings, 2013 edition
California Residential Code, 2013 edition
California Mechanical Code, 2013 edition
California Plumbing Code, 2013 edition
California Electrical Code, 2013 edition
California Green Code, 2013 edition

There are provisions for each that allow the Authority Having Jurisdiction (local governments) make their own requirements as long as they supersede the required code. Most of the cities in Southern California do just this, and the revisions are not the same from city to city. There are several different bonding requirements, what may pass in Corona is not accepted in Irvine...etc. Los Angeles City is a great example of this. They have their own certifications required for concrete, trusses, plumbing, etc and product manufacturers have to have a license to comply with their standards.

Every city I've dealt with in this area has very specific code requirements for pools (especially grounding, bonding and electrical requirements), that may not be the case elsewhere but I bet its more common then you may think.
 

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We have pavers in our driveway and have that Texas gumbo soil which is pretty expansive. Previously we had concrete and had lots of cracks. No cracks with the pavers. They move with the soil. Just something to think about.
 
Looks great, they got 3/4 of the pool done, would have taken a photo but it got dark. They are picking up another pallet I had held at the stone yard. Photos don't show the stone color due to the dust from cutting but they are doing a great job. More pictures next week, they said 4-5 days for all the coping, ledger stone, and tile, no rain in the forecast through next Saturday!!!!
 

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